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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2006, 04:41:01 AM »

They always string bet to buggery on The West Wing.

"I'll see your five...... and raise you five" makes for much better TV, than some dodgy greaseball knowitall in the corner piping up "You can't, that's just a call."

I'm all for stopping angle shooting where necessary, but the string bet rule being religiously enforced (as it is in Glasgow) only seems to serve to makes things harder for the beginner.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2006, 05:51:55 AM »

Tikay,been running comps in swansea for quite a while now, and we never use that "company" rule, don't know where that came from, as it wasn't explained to us that it was in force over the week just gone.
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2006, 09:27:53 AM »

It's just one more illustration of the need to get a set of cardroom rules published WITH EXPLANATIONS. Grosvenor might want to include one or two players in their rules committee as well.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2006, 09:39:20 AM »

I've never heard of that rule, but its ridiculous.  If you do something correct you are penalised for something the players to your left do incorrect

Then again there was another rule I didn't agree with at Luton last week , 3 card from bottom when the first card on the flop had come out.  That card needs the opportunity to come back into play and should have been shuffled into the deck after everything had been sorted
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2006, 09:47:21 AM »

ALL GROSVENORS Huh?Huh?Huh?

Never heard of this one.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2006, 09:53:52 AM »



Then again there was another rule I didn't agree with at Luton last week , 3 card from bottom when the first card on the flop had come out.  That card needs the opportunity to come back into play and should have been shuffled into the deck after everything had been sorted

The third card from the bottom that IS a rule that is used all grosvenors. Although you and i dont agree
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2006, 09:58:35 AM »

3rd from Bottom. HEHEHEHE. I dont agree with it either. And like Dani I can't say I've ever seen the more than 2 people to act rule. But I only ever read what I wanted to read so Who Knows?

I seem to remember bringing up the 3rd card from the bottom rule being wrong at the very first rule meeting. Jeff at the Vic must still be trying to get hold Of Mr. Kremser to find out the exact rule, and if he likes it or not before it comes into being I would suppose. Altho I wouldn't be surprised if it had been swept under the carpet again, now that no-one is harrassing him to change it.

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 10:07:06 AM »

Simon at luton said the rule will be changing but hadn't yet, so looks promising although you can never tell Smiley 
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 10:51:31 AM »


A really rather weird thing happoened at Luton last week, perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the thinking behind this rule.

Steve Read, to my right, has a habit, when Raising (which is almost every hand) of saying "raise", then FIRST putting the CALL in the middle, then he counts out the Raise & places that in. No prob there. I never heard him say "Raise", but saw his "call" chips go in, so I Passed. Naturally. Then the domino effect took over, & Joe Grech, to my left, also passed. No prob, no fuss, case closed, it was a mistake on my part, I apologised, end of story.

Except......

Young Scott Sadler, still to act, said, "is Steve Read's hand still "live"?

Everyone chuckled. Of course it is, why should it not be?

He went on to explain that they have a Rule at Luton, indeed all Grosvenors, that if two people Pass out of Turn, as myself & Joe Grech mistakenly did, the RAISERS hand is DEAD.....!

We all rubbished poor Scott, so the TD was summoned. "Well, it' not "two people acting out of turn, it's "more than two" people actng out of turn. If they do so, the Raisers hand is killed".

What?

Why?

Any clues as to the logic behind the innocent party (the Raiser) being penalised?

And think of how this could be exploited!

And think what, say, Barry Neville might have to say if his hand was voided because two players behind him Passed out of turn.......

Anyway, apologies from the whole table to Scott, who was, bizarrely, proven right. What a weird thing. Scott was NOT challenging Steve, just making the point, & Scott did nothing wrong at all.

Any ideas why this Rule exists?

WTF??



Then again there was another rule I didn't agree with at Luton last week , 3 card from bottom when the first card on the flop had come out.  That card needs the opportunity to come back into play and should have been shuffled into the deck after everything had been sorted

The third card from the bottom that IS a rule that is used all grosvenors. Although you and i dont agree

And I agree  with Dani Card must have a chance to come back out!
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 12:57:38 PM »

ALL GROSVENORS Huh?Huh?Huh?

Never heard of this one.

When the argument was raging, a bet was struck, Scott bet a Tenner that he was correct, & the Rule existed. A Supervisor was summoned, & apart from saying "it's MORE than 2 players acting out of turn", as opposed to just two, the Supervisor confirmed 100% that the Rule existed in all Grosvenors.

I just think that the way to handle these apparent anomolies is to ask around, establish the facts, then try & get it changed, by polite lobbying, if indeed it does not serve a purpose, or is unfair.

But before I did so, I thought I'd run it past the blondes to see if I had missed something.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 01:00:39 PM »

Isn't this the sort of thing that APAT are supposed to try to sort out?
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2006, 01:06:54 PM »

Isn't this the sort of thing that APAT are supposed to try to sort out?

Amongst others, yes. But the starting point was to see if my suspicions were correct, that indeed the Rule is wrong. Then we go to Step B.

The entire table, &, it seems, everyone on this thread, agrees the Rule is wrong, you can't penalise the inocent party & allow the guilty ones off un-penalised! So it's time to walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk, & actually try & do something about it. Which, as ifm rightly says, is one of the reasons I am involved with APAT.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2006, 01:09:41 PM »

I'm surprised tighty has never mentioned it, it does appear to be a Grosvenor Luton only rule as 2 TD's from other Grosvenors haven't even heard of it.
Maybe the players committee there can handle it?
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2006, 01:15:32 PM »

Luton does not have a players committee (it should do, and may do soon, but thats another issue)

As you know I play there a lot and have never heard of this rule, let alone seen it enforced

Scott Sadler is a clever sensible chap, perhaps he has seen it enforced there once. He is not an angle shooter, but i would think he is after consistency in the application of rules as we all are

I agree it is barmy, sadly Luton's cardroom has a major problem with different supervisors giving different rulings on the same subject depending on who you ask.

This is something that the players have reflected to management
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2006, 01:17:18 PM »

Luton does not have a players committee (it should do, and may do soon, but thats another issue)


I thought it was something Grosvenor brought in to all it's card rooms, must've been a misread.........
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