Sensation at the Sandcastle - Blackpool Disqualification!

[chrisbruce]

I was under the impresion that when you enter a poker competition the casino has a "duty of care" to look after your interests in that competition. Having accepted your entry money as a player the casino is obliged to look after your interests. If subsequently you misbehave  / abuse a dealer, and get banned then that is your fault and you lose your entry.
 But in Ali's case the incident had happened before the competition started and should have been resolved prior to Ali starting this comp.

Legally I would love to know how this stacks up but would like to think that gambling laws are there to protect the player.

[77dave]

I was under the impresion that when you enter a poker competition the casino has a "duty of care" to look after your interests in that competition. Having accepted your entry money as a player the casino is obliged to look after your interests. If subsequently you misbehave  / abuse a dealer, and get banned then that is your fault and you lose your entry.
 But in Ali's case the incident had happened before the competition started and should have been resolved prior to Ali starting this comp.

Legally I would love to know how this stacks up but would like to think that gambling laws are there to protect the player.

 

[tikay]

It was all a ploy to stop Tikay coming 9th

Rumbled.

I managed a brilliant 8th, & I outlasted Ali.........There's a first for me.

[MadYank]

the only people whos reputations have ever been questioned by me have had no reputation worth a toss imo.

That's funnier than what Flushie said. 

This whole reputation thing is a bit weird. I FULLY understand that any serious player should be highly protective of his integrity/reputaion within the community and Aiston is well in the right to take offense if his rep was questioned.

That said, it's a bit ironic that several UK based players with decidedly shady "poker histories" routinely get woohooed, ballyhooed and well doned by most of the blonde community. (There not blondeites(at least that I know of)  before you ask)

[77dave]

i wonder what ali thought the correct outcome would be

personally i think if i was in the final and spoke to ali outside after he was refused entree  he would tell me to go on and play my best poker and to win the comp

[byronkincaid]

i guess a lot of us have no idea who have the shady histories but please feel to PM me some stories:)

[Jon MW]

I do feel sorry for Steve on this as he is in a no win situation and is still relatively new in the job. awful position for him to be put in and totally out of his control. Taking ali out of the situation completely there is an argument for taking the chips out of play, dividing the chips equally between the other players or leaving them there and letting him ante away. The best way to solve it? I wouldn't know and wouldn't want to have to make the decision as there is no fair way to resolve the situation and whatever happens it will favour either the big stacks or the small stacks.

To make it even more difficult, Steve was not there this afternoon!

One has to feel some sympathy with Grosvenor, the whole thing is jolly difficult to resolve in a way that is fair to all.

It would have been much easier to resolve tomorrow.

I don't think one has to feel any sympathy for Grosvenor for precisely this reason - whilst I appreciate how much they add to poker in the country generally, this seems to be a situation which could have been quickly and easily resolved by letting Ali stay and finish the competition. If there isn't any process in place to implement this then that is a managerial and commercial mistake on Grosvenor's part which they should rectify to avoid a repeat of this situation.

[thetank]

This whole reputation thing is a bit weird. I FULLY understand that any serious player should be highly protective of his integrity/reputaion within the community and Aiston is well in the right to take offense if his rep was questioned.

That said, it's a bit ironic that several UK based players with decidedly shady "poker histories" routinely get woohooed, ballyhooed and well doned by most of the blonde community. (There not blondeites(at least that I know of)  before you ask)

I don't see the irony.

You can be prudently mindful of your own reputation, for there are many who will be quick to judge.

This shouldn't mean you now have to then judge others for their past discrepencies. You should still be free to ballyhoo whomever you wish.

[ariston]

the only people whos reputations have ever been questioned by me have had no reputation worth a toss imo.

That's funnier than what Flushie said. 

This whole reputation thing is a bit weird. I FULLY understand that any serious player should be highly protective of his integrity/reputaion within the community and Aiston is well in the right to take offense if his rep was questioned.

That said, it's a bit ironic that several UK based players with decidedly shady "poker histories" routinely get woohooed, ballyhooed and well doned by most of the blonde community. (There not blondeites(at least that I know of)  before you ask)

probably one for another thread that ron.

The comment flushy made was a joke but I will always take offence on that line, he has apologised and thats the end of it for me.

[MadYank]

the only people whos reputations have ever been questioned by me have had no reputation worth a toss imo.

That's funnier than what Flushie said. 

This whole reputation thing is a bit weird. I FULLY understand that any serious player should be highly protective of his integrity/reputaion within the community and Aiston is well in the right to take offense if his rep was questioned.

That said, it's a bit ironic that several UK based players with decidedly shady "poker histories" routinely get woohooed, ballyhooed and well doned by most of the blonde community. (There not blondeites(at least that I know of)  before you ask)

probably one for another thread that ron.

The comment flushy made was a joke but I will always take offence on that line, he has apologised and thats the end of it for me.

What if I was to say "You're bald and chubby!" WOuld that be something you might take offence to?   

[thetank]

I don't see the irony.

It's ok, I do now.

[M3boy]

Not knowing the inns and outs - I am not commenting on what was "right" or "wrong"

BUT, knowing how much Ali spends in the Casino - if you dont believe me, watch him play roulette!! Then to Bar him MUST of been for something serious.

Then again, maybe it wasnt ?!?!

We will never know I suppose.

Nice bloke though Ali, have played many times with him. ALWAYS a gentleman.

[ariston]

how could i take offence to that ron? I would take it as a compliment as in fact I am both bald and a fat bastard so chubby is quite nice tyvm.

[Royal Flush]

The comment flushy made was a joke but I will always take offence on that line, he has apologised and thats the end of it for me.

Thought i should say i apologised for causing offence to Russ rather than the joke itself, he asked me to take it down as it offended him, i think he is being over sensitive but he asked and i never meant to cause offence so took it down.

Integrity gate is seriously affecting the Ali vs Saddam count.

[tikay]

I was under the impresion that when you enter a poker competition the casino has a "duty of care" to look after your interests in that competition. Having accepted your entry money as a player the casino is obliged to look after your interests. If subsequently you misbehave  / abuse a dealer, and get banned then that is your fault and you lose your entry.
 But in Ali's case the incident had happened before the competition started and should have been resolved prior to Ali starting this comp.

Legally I would love to know how this stacks up but would like to think that gambling laws are there to protect the player.

Choosing my words with some care here, it's my understanding that Ali feels he has a case to take to the GC, & he wil be consulting solicitors if Grosvenor do not satisfy him. He thinks they have no right to, in effect, "confinscate" his chips.

I hope they get round a table & sort this out. Ali spends a fortune in Grosvenor, & Grosvenor know this. Unless he's committed a heinous sin (& I hope he has not) common sense should prevail. Of course, if Ali has been naughty, well, to be fair, he must pay his bill.