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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 10:04:23 PM »

So let me get this straight, you think Ladbrokes is bias/fixed so that the worst hand wins too often?

So many things go wrong on Ladbrokes on a regular basis, is it so incredible that someone might lose confidence on the quality of their rng?  If their software is consistently faulty where it can be observed, what could be going on unobserved? 
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 11:11:33 PM »

http://www.ladbrokespoker.com/images/pwc_letter-october2006.gif

The RNG is independently audited, although for those conspiracy theorists amongst you, the last statistical analysis they are showing on the records was from October '06.

What have they been up to since then? (cue spooky music!)
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 02:33:43 AM »

come on mate this is ladbrokes not pokerfix.com
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 03:59:04 AM »

at the end of the day , it is a computer, no-one can say that it is %100 not fixed
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 04:01:56 AM »

Why don't you just play somewhere else or try to get it in from behind?
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 04:47:54 AM »

at the end of the day , it is a computer, no-one can say that it is %100 not fixed

For every long shot that comes in on the river that someone loses from, someone wins from the same card.

So by saying the site is rigged "against" me or some other player, you are implicitly saying it is rigged "for" some players.

Now as people are getting "good" beats and "bad" beats in equal measure, why do you only hear from the people who are getting the "bad" beats?

Unless you think people might be predisposed to remember the ropey pieces of luck they have and ignore the times when they get lucky? Maybe??

It's nasty when you go on a bad run. You got 8 outed in the hand you showed. I got one outed twice in 3 hands about a month ago. That's about a million times(havent done the working - GFY) worse than your beat but I still don't put it down to the site being rigged.

(notice how i surreptitiously slip my bad beat story into a post berating bad beats - that's talent)

In the words of Bill Fillmaff bad players sometimes win due to "random fluctuations of dumb luck." You need the beats to be there. It shows there is a luck element to the game. The same luck element that attracts lots of bad players in to throw their money away. Which makes the game profitable if you're good.

So you see, the bad beats actually make you money. You dig?

 
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 05:13:43 AM »

Online poker is rigged.

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2007, 05:16:22 AM »

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For every long shot that comes in on the river that someone loses from, someone wins from the same card.

So by saying the site is rigged "against" me or some other player, you are implicitly saying it is rigged "for" some players.

Now as people are getting "good" beats and "bad" beats in equal measure, why do you only hear from the people who are getting the "bad" beats?

Unless you think people might be predisposed to remember the ropey pieces of luck they have and ignore the times when they get lucky? Maybe??

It's nasty when you go on a bad run. You got 8 outed in the hand you showed. I got one outed twice in 3 hands about a month ago. That's about a million times(havent done the working - GFY) worse than your beat but I still don't put it down to the site being rigged.

(notice how i surreptitiously slip my bad beat story into a post berating bad beats - that's talent)

In the words of Bill Fillmaff bad players sometimes win due to "random fluctuations of dumb luck." You need the beats to be there. It shows there is a luck element to the game. The same luck element that attracts lots of bad players in to throw their money away. Which makes the game profitable if you're good.

So you see, the bad beats actually make you money. You dig?
 

 

You also see a hell of a lot more hands online and therefore a hell of a lot more beats...
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2007, 10:42:24 AM »

Why don't you just play somewhere else or try to get it in from behind?

Your comedic talent is wasted on here Snoops!!

 
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 11:04:17 AM »

Maybe you need to look at how you played the hand - rather than blame the site. You've raised in early position with KJ suited but then got 4 callers (yes its only a 5 seater sng but you now have to be worried that your hand isn't the best).

Then you hit as good a flop as you possibly could - but then just flat call the bet. Yes you then reraise on the turn and his call with low pair no kicker with a gutshot draw isn't very good but still i'd rather have players making plays like this every day as it means in the long run i'll make more money.

In the link below is a post i made a long while back, ok its more geared around mtt's but the principles still apply. At the end of the day it isnt Ladbrokes fault that Laxen71 is willing to put all his chips in with 3rd pair and a gutshot - but i'm sure if someone were to add up the number of times he made this move and the number of times he won it would be somewhere around the 18% mark.

Yes as poor as the call looks - you will lose this hand 1 in every 5 times that someone makes a call like this against you.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=4182.0

Lets say you are cruisin along in a tourney, and you are about 30th out of 40 left in a tourney, and you are seriously looking to double up.

You get AK, go all in, and are called by AQ. Woohoo, you win. You now have 40k chips and are sitting on an average stack.

Next hand, AK again. Sweet!!! There is a raise up front, and you decide to take it down with an all in bet. But wait, your opponent, who has you covered, calls you with... AJ? What a horrible call, right? Yes, it is, and he pays for it when a K flops and you take down the pot. Unreal!!! from 20k to 80k in 2 hands. Sweet!

Next hand, youre in the SB, and you get, holy moly, AK, again... it folds around to you, and you face the BB, who happens to be the chipleader of the tourney at a whopping 175k chips. He has been steamrolling everyone and has a huge lead over the field. What do you do? You know he could bust you if you let him catch anything on the flop, so you dont really want to mess with him... you cant fold AK though, so you push it all in hoping he folds...he thinks, thinks, thinks, and calls...with AQ!!!! He (or course!!!) spikes a Q and you are taking a walk thinking about what an awful beat you took and how this always happens to you.... i mean, THIS IS TOTAL RUBBISH RIGHT? I ALWAYS GET SCREWED.....

WRONG. you are thinking about it in the wrong way.... You were all in 3 times with a 70% chance to win everytime. All you have to do is lose 1 out of 3 to be out of the tournament. Lets let the god of statistics speak to us now:

Winning 3 of 3 ---> .7x.7x.7 = .343

Thats right, only 34% of the time you are still in this tourney after that string of hands, and yet somehow people still think that they "got screwed by pokerstars/willhill/ladbrokes"... How reasonable is it to think that? Answer: Not Very.

The simple fact of the matter is that being all in is a risky proposition, and risk is what you want to avoid in tournaments until you absolutely have to face it. This is why racing early in a tournament is just plain foolish, and yet bad players do it constantly.

Whenever you are all in and not holding the absolute nuts with no cards to come, there is a chance you can get eliminated. Add up those small chances to get eliminated over the course of the tourney and it proves that it is very likely you will be eliminated somewhere.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007, 11:20:39 AM »


 at the end of the day , it is a computer, no-one can say that it is %100 not fixed


Same is true of a live game, no one can say 100% that it isn't fixed.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 11:32:05 AM »


 at the end of the day , it is a computer, no-one can say that it is %100 not fixed


Same is true of a live game, no one can say 100% that it isn't fixed.

Very true in fact i would trust any game on the internet over alot of the side game played in casinos round the country every night,
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2007, 11:38:25 AM »

Can some1 make a chauvinistic joke to justify the title of the thread 
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2007, 11:40:31 AM »

Can some1 make a chauvinistic joke to justify the title of the thread 
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2007, 11:58:13 AM »

maybe thats why i'm still single - 90% of everything in my kitchen is pine / cream. Sad
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