MikkyT - We get the truth from the BBC

[Muahahahaha]

ifm made a Post, & I for one was delighted he chose to do so, & I hope he Posts again. He may be ASIMS from time to time, but he tells it as he sees it, & thats a good thing. His Post, though, suggested someone was shielding a child-abuser, an extremely serious allegation. Unless we can prove that, I think we need to be careful not to pre-judge what happened. Personally, I think Poppet had the wool pulled over her eyes - but I just don't know the facts, really. I imagine only Poppet & Mikky T do. Does anyone else really know the facts?Please understand, everyone, that this is incredibly emotive, most especially for those of you - the majority I guess, & certainly ifm  - who have kids.

I'm sorry tikay.  I hugely respect you, & your views.  Ifm is probably a great guy. I'm sure in a private conversation in a pub we could have an open & honest discussion / argument about it.

But in your post you ask who knows the facts.  I'm afraid that's irrelevant.

Publicly condemning someone for the actions of someone else is wrong.  If he believes that she was complicit, he should take his proof / beliefs to the police & let them investigate.

In this counry we still have that old fashioned idea of innocence until proven guilty.

This Mikky bloke is obviously guilty.  That is all we know, and that is all we should be discussing.

[bolt pp]

To be honest, there's fuck all you can say in situations like these.

You just have to realise that the world can be a truly messed-up place sometimes. Then you have to get on with life.

End of story...

Exactly, well said.

[kinboshi]

I've read this thread with horror, but it's been a bit like a car crash when you can't stop yourself looking.

I haven't posted because I don't know the people involved, so I didn't want to speak out of turn.

But I have to say that the post by ifm is upsetting, even to an outsider like myself.  The whole comment is ignorant '' All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them.'' is hardly going to help a group of people who have been hurt by an outsider.

He obviously didn't like the guy. No problem.  But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

Freedom of speech should only go so far.  I think ifm has crossed any bounds of decency.

My personal opinion is that the offender is obviously a sick pervert.  Even in the stories taken from the media there is obviously a lot that has been omitted.  He has hurt many members of this forum.  This forum is full of decent people who have accepted , and helped, me and many others into a fun environment.

He should not, and must not , be allowed to pass any blame onto innocently duped people.  And while he has been tried & convicted, no other member of this forum should be.

Sorry for intruding.

A great Post.

But......

All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them

And The Camel said if someone harmed young Jake, he'd kill them.

It iis SO emotive, & at times like this, one can understand their anger, & why they vent it thus.

I am wholly againt lynch mobs, this was my first stance to the Mods at 0430 this morning, but one CAN understand why these guys are so angry. I happen to disagree, too, with ifm's suggestion "put them in the general population", but I wholly understand why he said it. We've all seen that red mist on occasions.

We need to see this from all angles.

I think the 'general population' bit refers to where he should be in prison.  From what I read he was saying don't protect the offender from the rest of the cons - and let them deal out their justice.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't advocating him being free.

Just in case there's any confusion here.

[dealerFROMhell]

To be honest, there's fuck all you can say in situations like these.

You just have to realise that the world can be a truly messed-up place sometimes. Then you have to get on with life.

End of story...

Exactly, well said.

It's true though.

You can debate until the cows come home about what happened, who's to blame and about how shocked you are. But the harsh reality of it is that things like this will ALWAYS go on. And you will never, ever be able to make any sense of them.

Personally I think this thread should be closed.

...It'll just cause arguments.

[thediceman]

But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

IMF has posted his thoughts on the subject. Indeed there is the issue of one being allowed to make a potentially slanderless statement but that is for the site owners to make a decide whether it should be removed. I however disagree just because someone is a "much loved member of the forum" that they should not be questioned or even "attacked" on an issue. Reminds me of when several people told me not to question MikkyT for what I thought was an inapprioriprate sexiest comment because they informed me MikkyT is a top bloke and would never mean it in such a bad way. Guess being a much cared member buys you some protection. Being a popular/much cared member of the forum is not a justifyable reason why somebody should never be questioned on something that they have said.

Some people will call it as we see it and sod the popularity contest which I think is a good thing as long as it kept civil and not become a bitchfest or break any legal issues such as slander.

[dealerFROMhell]

No, really, if The Mods had any sense, this thread will be deleted.

[tikay]

I've read this thread with horror, but it's been a bit like a car crash when you can't stop yourself looking.

I haven't posted because I don't know the people involved, so I didn't want to speak out of turn.

But I have to say that the post by ifm is upsetting, even to an outsider like myself.  The whole comment is ignorant '' All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them.'' is hardly going to help a group of people who have been hurt by an outsider.

He obviously didn't like the guy. No problem.  But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

Freedom of speech should only go so far.  I think ifm has crossed any bounds of decency.

My personal opinion is that the offender is obviously a sick pervert.  Even in the stories taken from the media there is obviously a lot that has been omitted.  He has hurt many members of this forum.  This forum is full of decent people who have accepted , and helped, me and many others into a fun environment.

He should not, and must not , be allowed to pass any blame onto innocently duped people.  And while he has been tried & convicted, no other member of this forum should be.

Sorry for intruding.

A great Post.

But......

All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them

And The Camel said if someone harmed young Jake, he'd kill them.

It iis SO emotive, & at times like this, one can understand their anger, & why they vent it thus.

I am wholly againt lynch mobs, this was my first stance to the Mods at 0430 this morning, but one CAN understand why these guys are so angry. I happen to disagree, too, with ifm's suggestion "put them in the general population", but I wholly understand why he said it. We've all seen that red mist on occasions.

We need to see this from all angles.

I think the 'general population' bit refers to where he should be in prison.  From what I read he was saying don't protect the offender from the rest of the cons - and let them deal out their justice.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't advocating him being free.

Just in case there's any confusion here.

Oh, I may have misunderstood, sorry.

FWIW, & notwithstanding my view of lynch mobs, I am very content in my mind that Mikky will be propely "looked after" by his fellow Cons inside.
Ifm & I are, really, of the same mind here - we utterly denounce child abuse, no caveats. We just come at how to deal with the aftermath, & what others did & did not know, from different angles. That won't cause us to fall out - I hope.

[Muahahahaha]

I really have to say that you're being unfair to IFM here

Almost certainly.

Which is not what I actually think about him, but was my immediate response to his post.

I feel so far out of my depth here.  I tried to offer an objective view from someone a couple of steps away from the people concerned.

I feel I have overstepped the mark myself.

So please, ifm, accept my apologies.

What I was trying to say is that we KNOW who is guilty. We don't know anything else about the people concerned.  As such we should keep our condemnation towards him, & not bring other people into it.

[The Camel]

I've read this thread with horror, but it's been a bit like a car crash when you can't stop yourself looking.

I haven't posted because I don't know the people involved, so I didn't want to speak out of turn.

But I have to say that the post by ifm is upsetting, even to an outsider like myself.  The whole comment is ignorant '' All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them.'' is hardly going to help a group of people who have been hurt by an outsider.

He obviously didn't like the guy. No problem.  But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

Freedom of speech should only go so far.  I think ifm has crossed any bounds of decency.

My personal opinion is that the offender is obviously a sick pervert.  Even in the stories taken from the media there is obviously a lot that has been omitted.  He has hurt many members of this forum.  This forum is full of decent people who have accepted , and helped, me and many others into a fun environment.

He should not, and must not , be allowed to pass any blame onto innocently duped people.  And while he has been tried & convicted, no other member of this forum should be.

Sorry for intruding.

A great Post.

But......

All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them

And The Camel said if someone harmed young Jake, he'd kill them.

It iis SO emotive, & at times like this, one can understand their anger, & why they vent it thus.

I am wholly againt lynch mobs, this was my first stance to the Mods at 0430 this morning, but one CAN understand why these guys are so angry. I happen to disagree, too, with ifm's suggestion "put them in the general population", but I wholly understand why he said it. We've all seen that red mist on occasions.

We need to see this from all angles.

Long ago when I had a proper job, working for the DHSS there was this geezer. He was a bit strange, everyone thought, but perfectly polite, diligent and could have a laugh with the rest of us.

About a year after I left the job I read in the local paper he was a paedophile and convicted of even more (if that's possible) vile assaults than MikkyT. He was sentenced to life in prison.

I felt sick and slightly guilty. Was there something I could have done? Should I have noticed something? The truth of the matter is, people like this are very good at covering their tracks and people veryclose to them are usually totally unaware of what they are doing. To accuse Poppet of shielding him is distasteful in the extreme.

Since Jake was born, I have become much more aggressive in my defence of kids. But, I still believe paedophiles are ill, not criminals. They should be treated, not punished. And obviously kept away from children until there is a 0% chance of them repeating what they did.

[portfolio]

No, really, if The Mods had any sense, this thread will be deleted.

they do,ergo  it is !!

indefensible imo.

[The Camel]

I'm utterly speechless.

I have always been liberal by nature.. but a few months back I was playing boo with Jake and he was giggling and laughing and the thought suddenly struck me if someone even attempted to do anything to him I would kill them.

I really shocked myself at that thought crossing my mind.

And the idea this scumbag started the childrens picture thread is really disgusting.

I think that thread should be deleted, but a new one should be started.

I think the blonde community is strong enough to overcome this.

thanks for your thoughts kieth

i agree with them wholehearterly and if you give it a couple of weeks to die down i would be greatfull if you would start the new thread btw has jake worked out that every time you throw chips into a pot your bluffing yet?

I would start a new thread... but I still haven't worked out how to post pictures 

[dealerFROMhell]

I hope it does.

Like I said, i'm new here, and I dont know anybody that's involved in this, but talking about it is fruitless.

[KingPoker]

But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

IMF has posted his thoughts on the subject. Indeed there is the issue of one being allowed to make a potentially slanderless statement but that is for the site owners to make a decide whether it should be removed. I however disagree just because someone is a "much loved member of the forum" that they should not be questioned or even "attacked" on an issue. Reminds me of when several people told me not to question MikkyT for what I thought was an inapprioriprate sexiest comment because they informed me MikkyT is a top bloke and would never mean it in such a bad way. Guess being a much cared member buys you some protection. Being a popular/much cared member of the forum is not a justifyable reason why somebody should never be questioned on something that they have said.

Some people will call it as we see it and sod the popularity contest which I think is a good thing as long as it kept civil and not become a bitchfest or break any legal issues such as slander.

Great post

And what a (no offence dealer) silly thing to call for the thread to be closed. This is a forum and in turn in the section, named general discussion. Its great to see people point of view on what is in reailty a horriffic post. This is far far from over as other accusations have been thrown into debate which must be either proven or disproven.
There would not be much to say about any of the posts made by everyone on here if i came along everytime and said, "thats just the way it is so there!"

[Ironside]

I would start a new thread... but I still haven't worked out how to post pictures 

give me a phone when the time is right i will TALK you through it, it will only take a few seconds

[thediceman]

A great Post.

But......

All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them

And The Camel said if someone harmed young Jake, he'd kill them.

It iis SO emotive, & at times like this, one can understand their anger, & why they vent it thus.

I am wholly againt lynch mobs, this was my first stance to the Mods at 0430 this morning, but one CAN understand why these guys are so angry. I happen to disagree, too, with ifm's suggestion "put them in the general population", but I wholly understand why he said it. We've all seen that red mist on occasions.

We need to see this from all angles.

That and we all have differing views on what constituent as justice. I'm petty liberal on most subjects but kidddie fiddles I'm not. Therefore the red mist and the desire to give retribution of a physical nature will always be there for me.