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« on: November 04, 2007, 06:32:53 PM »

APAT hand, down to last few tables and Ive taken a hit and down to 12400

Blinds 800 1600

Le Knave has 14k and limps UTG .

I have    on the button and think I can see this flop for 1600 and call.

SB folds BB Checks

So 5400 in the pot now

Flop      two hearts

BB checks, Le Knave checks

Now I am confident of taking the pot here and now so I bet out 5k (leaving 5.9k back so I cant pass)

BB folds, Le Knave moves all in instantly.

So I now have to call 5900 to win the pot of 27200 total.

What possible hand am I ahead of here?

Not alot me thinks and although I am getting almost 6-1 I think I only have 5 outs.

I CANNOT pass here for so much money in the pot and Le Knave knows it - so why does he move all in? (leaving 2k odd if he looses)

I thought far far too much here and should of called , reluctantly, but called.

I PASSED!!

He had 8 8

So, the question is, good spot to bluff or not?? And reasons please
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2007, 06:36:23 PM »

  two spades  flop
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 07:14:47 PM »

ul that le knave guy sounds like a right fish  Wink bet 3k on flop?
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 07:38:29 PM »

Sometimes ppl think they have the best hand when they are actually bluffing and vice versa.  Sometimes ppl assume that a button betting when checked to hasn't got anything.  In live play sometimes ppl don't pay attention to your exact number of chips.

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 07:40:44 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 07:44:53 PM »

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Now I am confident of taking the pot here and now so I bet out 5k (leaving 5.9k back so I cant pass)

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You have provided yourself with a convincing argument to call. Having mentally committed to not folding I don't think you have the depth of stack to give yourself the luxury of finding one of those times you make an inciteful fold. I think you know that the time to decide was on the flop. I agree with doubleup...giving everyone maximum credit is often a mistake...people can often do strange things with far less logic than you're applying to the situation.

The possibilty of him holding a number of draws make this decision a bit easier as well.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 07:45:21 PM »

paul why bet 5k when you know you should of pushed in making it hard for him to call even with a hand thats beating yours
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 07:46:39 PM »

It was LeKnave as well.  He thought he was ahead!!

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 11:02:34 PM »

Wow at this hand. Limping UTG with less than 10BBs is lol. Flatting the button here with J10 will not show enough of a profit over time. If you feel that UTG is really bad and weak tight and has limped in with hands they will fold, just make it 6k to go preflop. Or fold if you think that UTG, while bad, is the kind of bad that limp reraises whatever hand they like here.

On the flop you cannot fold. It's kinda sick spot because you only have top pair but the board has brought draws so you need to bet on the flop to extract value from the situation. When he CRAI you no longer have any decisions left given the price you are getting.

The line villain took with 88 is unbelievably bad.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2007, 11:49:47 PM »

Wow at this hand. Limping UTG with less than 10BBs is lol

I had 11.3 bb's.  Which makes it an amazing limp.

The line villain took with 88 is unbelievably bad.

I heard it was an inspired play.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 12:21:37 AM »

Truely inspired in fact because you knew how your opponent was going to think before he even thought it.....that must be a good weapon to have yes?
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 12:32:40 AM »

Truely inspired in fact because you knew how your opponent was going to think before he even thought it.....that must be a good weapon to have yes?

It was a joke, chill out.

OH NOES. i thought my 2 8's were good. i was wrong.

It was a mistake, i've made many, im sure il make many more.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 01:21:03 AM »

I played in the cash game vs m3boy, he flopped top set  and moved in for £49 of his £50. I moved all in for £50 total and he thought about it and said "I dont know wht i beat here" before folding, face up......What a fish

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2007, 03:04:11 AM »

paul why bet 5k when you know you should of pushed in making it hard for him to call even with a hand thats beating yours

Iron, I know I made the mistake - trust me.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2007, 09:25:21 AM »

Wow at this hand. Limping UTG with less than 10BBs is lol

I had 11.3 bb's.  Which makes it an amazing limp.

The line villain took with 88 is unbelievably bad.

I heard it was an inspired play.

With 11 BBs you should really only be pushing or folding. There is 2400 in the pot which represents a significant increase of your stack. Shoving 88+ or AQo+ UTG is going to be +cEV. And considering that in these APAT events the value comes from the seat added for first place; there is definitely no reason to pass up any edge.

Now, 88 should be about the bottom of your range for shoving UTG - so folding wouldn't be absolutely terrible. But folding definitely would be better than limping. 88 is going to play very badly in a multiway pot; and our short stack and bad position will create a huge possibillity that we make mistakes in a limped multiway pot - either getting it in bad or folding the best hand.

On the flop, this is one of the better boards for you, why check? You have the best hand here a lot and there are plenty of turn cards you don't want to peel off for free. Get some money in for value rather than risking it being checked around. CRAI here turns your hand into a bluff with no fold equity - which isn't desired.


I don't mean to offend; and apologise if my comments in my initial post were rather abrupt.
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