A controversial One

[TightEnd]

A true story, opinions sought


*******Debate Civilly please**********


A man, in a moment of madness, kicks another man to death becuase the second man will not hand him over a packet of cigarettes

Court sentences the Murderer to a 15 year minimum tariff, this being the first opportunity he has to ask for Parole.


During his current time in prison he meets a fellow convict, a lady sentenced to 5 years for benefit fraud

They fall in love, and marry. She is now out, he is in prison still

They want to start a family and would like to conceive via artificial insemination. This is refused in the UK by Prison service then the courts

Eventually, having been granted legal aid to fight their cause, they win their battle at the European Court of Human Rights where 12 out of 17 judges rule in their favour that they should be allowed to have artificial insemination (unclear as to whether privately or NHS funded)

The case cost £ six figures for the Government to fight in Strasbourg


Should a prisoner have these "human rights" or should they be forfeited for the term he is behind bars?

Discuss

 
 

[tikay]

Easy.

Forfeited. You gotta pay your bills in life.

[TightEnd]

http://news.scotsman.com/latest_uk.cfm?id=1895432007


I wrote the inital post from my recollection, here's the corroboration of some of the facts, see link

[Ironside]

hang him then we dont need to worry about human rights

[Rod Paradise]

Tough one, gut instinct agrees with Tikay or even Ironsides  .

BUT if the 2 have genuniely reformed, and she'll be beyond child bearing age before he gets out, then I can see their point.

A slight tangent, I thought prisoners got 'conjugal' visits?

[bhoywonder]

Tough one, gut instinct agrees with Tikay or even Ironsides  .

BUT if the 2 have genuniely reformed, and she'll be beyond child bearing age before he gets out, then I can see their point.

A slight tangent, I thought prisoners got 'conjugal' visits?

I read due to the aftermath of these eejits in brussels ruling this, then they will be forced to give conjugal rights now whereas before i believe it wasnt a given

incredible society we live in these days

[AndrewT]

Of course a prisoner who is newly married would want to start a family - it's only natural. He probably also wants a honeymoon somewhere exotic. Maybe he wants a day out at Alton Towers as well.

Tough - he gave all those things up when he went inside. Similarly, she knew the score when she got involved.

[77dave]

She may be fully reformed and paid her debts back to society but he hasnt. He should have to wait the remaining 10 years before he regains the rights of a free man.   If by that time she is unable to bear child then so be it. 

If you cant do the time dont do the crime

[charmaine]

The man he kicked to death cant have any/more children , why  should the murderer ?

[Indestructable]

hang him then we dont need to worry about human rights

[tikay]

The man he kicked to death cant have any/more children , why  should the murderer ?

Top Reply that!

All this wet do-gooders tosh gets up my nose - it;s time the victims of crimes were given equal rights, too.

[lazaroonie]

Daily mail will have a field day on this one,

firstly the apparant rights of criminals being given priority over the the common good.

secondly britains penal system being overruled by brussels.


ouch....

[TightEnd]

daily mail you say?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499744&in_page_id=1770

[lazaroonie]

daily mail you say?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499744&in_page_id=1770

at least they have a picture. I can now see why artifical insemination would be necessary....

[MKKfish]

Bet he voted for the AI !!