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« Reply #14865 on: December 15, 2011, 12:14:15 PM »

Bout time a talent of this magnitude was properly recognised.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16175033

this is a level right?

she's one of very few people who are worse at drawing than me, how the hell does she get a post as professor of drawing?

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« Reply #14866 on: December 15, 2011, 12:18:41 PM »

Bout time a talent of this magnitude was properly recognised.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16175033

this is a level right?

she's one of very few people who are worse at drawing than me, how the hell does she get a post as professor of drawing?



lol. since when did being a successful artist require skill?
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« Reply #14867 on: December 15, 2011, 12:20:16 PM »

not talking about her success, that's due to people's stupidity

but I'm amazed that someone so talentless can get a professorship, surely they're normally saved for people with some sort of ability in the subject
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« Reply #14868 on: December 15, 2011, 12:26:27 PM »

not talking about her success, that's due to people's stupidity

but I'm amazed that someone so talentless can get a professorship, surely they're normally saved for people with some sort of ability in the subject

surely she can teach others to dupe other idiots equally well if not better than someone with some actual skill?
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« Reply #14869 on: December 15, 2011, 12:29:58 PM »

you'd hope so as it's the only useful skill she's got to pass on

she is an absolute master at it it must be said
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« Reply #14870 on: December 15, 2011, 12:32:26 PM »

Don't know if you saw it last night Red, but a Victorian Christmas on BBC2 was really interesting (and thankfully very little to do with Xmas) - they hand made 10000 bricks using the old brick kiln on the estate & also using the old clamp method. They also restored a Blacksmith's forge (using the bricks).

Think you'll get it on iPlayer.

Rod. I absolutely loved the 'Victorian' and 'Edwardian' series of programmes.

My all time favourite was The Victorian Kitchen, which ran in tandem with The Victorian Garden. Basically.it was this old girl with a young lass as a helper, together they showed us how the meals were prepared for a big house during Victorian times.

Cooking was a full time job, the girl got up at about 4am to clean and light the range, and the head cook (The old girl) would be up at about 5 am to make a start on the breakfast that she would be serving maybe 3 hours later.

Breakfast would include everything from freshly baked bread and scones to bacon, sausage & black pudding. There would be kippers, buttered mushrooms, jams, marmalades etc, all prepared fresh every morning.

While all this was going on, the making of a lavish lunch were drawn together, and things set in motion in readiness for dinner.

Every dish was described in detail, and  if, for instance, something included leeks, we would cut to the walled garden and the head gardener would show us how the leeks had been grown. This in turn might involve an explanation about which type of soil was best for leeks, or how the fertiliser was obtained. The head gardener had spent his entire working life, man and boy, working within the confines of those walls. He knew every plant intimately, and spoke with such enthusiasm. I just hung on his every word.

I remember some dishes in particular.  One was for pressed cold meat for sandwiches. The old girl cooked several different joints, and then rolled one inside the other, the resulting mass was then put in to a square mould and a weight was placed on the top. Every few hours for several days, the weight were checked and adjusted, and slowly the meat was transformed into a tightly packed, oblong piece of deliciousness, which, when carved, fitted perfectly between two slices of bread. It was mesmerising.

Another dish was the ice-cream bombe. They went to such a palaver to make it back then, selecting fruit from the garden, milking the cows, separating the cream etc, but the real magic was the ice. They cut in the winter from frozen lakes and stored it underground, insulated in straw.

They didn't use the lake ice directly in the ice-cream, they put the mixture to be frozen into a container and surrounded it with ice. Then, (as far as I can remember) they poured salt on to it which caused a chemical reaction. As the lake ice melted, it drew all the heat from the ice-cream mixture and left that frozen instead.

programmes like these are what telly was made for. I will certainly be watching 'Victorian Christmas' on iplayer.

Thanks Rod.





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« Reply #14871 on: December 15, 2011, 12:35:36 PM »

a friend of mine bought a signed and numbered tracey emin pic recently. it's a print of this cover of the independent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13246489

so it's a print of a (pretty bad) tracing that she did of a photo that someone else took. how stupid do you have to be to hand over a fair bit of money for something like that?

the woman is a genius
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« Reply #14872 on: December 15, 2011, 12:36:23 PM »

Bout time a talent of this magnitude was properly recognised.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16175033

this is a level right?

she's one of very few people who are worse at drawing than me, how the hell does she get a post as professor of drawing?



Lol.

Yes Gatters, it's a level.

In fact my daughter, who was browsing blonde at the time came marching in and demanded to know if I had gone completely mental.
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« Reply #14873 on: December 15, 2011, 01:28:35 PM »

Whereas this guy's got talent (and I think tikay doesn't like his work):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16184773

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« Reply #14874 on: December 15, 2011, 02:07:16 PM »

Whereas this guy's got talent (and I think tikay doesn't like his work):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16184773




Banksy is hugely talented IMO. Not only for his vast range of actual physical artistic ability in so many disciplines, but also for his sheer creativity.

His art has the rare quality of making me ask myself what message is.

He is at once both crass and subtle. Like being hit with a feather and a brick.
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« Reply #14875 on: December 15, 2011, 02:32:32 PM »

Agree completely.  He's also very accessible and has mass-appeal, whereas a lot of other art is beyond me.
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« Reply #14876 on: December 15, 2011, 03:18:35 PM »


Very cultured at the moment.
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« Reply #14877 on: December 15, 2011, 03:22:36 PM »


Very cultured at the moment.

Mais naturellement Monsieur Trev.
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« Reply #14878 on: December 15, 2011, 03:29:29 PM »


Very cultured at the moment.

Mais naturellement Monsieur Trev.

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« Reply #14879 on: December 15, 2011, 03:45:19 PM »

Tracey Emin's work is all about introspection, it's about herself. Banksy takes a political stance, very little of himself is there. Both are vaild. They just approach their work from opposite poles of the art world, yet both are popular.
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