Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[pokefast]

By the way what did you think of the Danny Dyer one?

It was a reasonably accurate reflection, but it was part of a documentry series about the "Deadliest Men" not about Gipsy life per se.

True but it highlighted once again that imo there is not another part of society that sticks together as much as the Gypsy community and that is a trait i'll always be envious of.

[bolt pp]

By the way what did you think of the Danny Dyer one?

It was a reasonably accurate reflection, but it was part of a documentry series about the "Deadliest Men" not about Gipsy life per se.

True but it highlighted once again that imo there is not another part of society that sticks together as much as the Gypsy community and that is a trait i'll always be envious of.

Chinese people

[pokefast]

By the way what did you think of the Danny Dyer one?

It was a reasonably accurate reflection, but it was part of a documentry series about the "Deadliest Men" not about Gipsy life per se.

True but it highlighted once again that imo there is not another part of society that sticks together as much as the Gypsy community and that is a trait i'll always be envious of.

Chinese people

Really?

[bolt pp]

By the way what did you think of the Danny Dyer one?

It was a reasonably accurate reflection, but it was part of a documentry series about the "Deadliest Men" not about Gipsy life per se.

True but it highlighted once again that imo there is not another part of society that sticks together as much as the Gypsy community and that is a trait i'll always be envious of.

Chinese people

Really?

in my experience yeah

[boldie]

By the way what did you think of the Danny Dyer one?

It was a reasonably accurate reflection, but it was part of a documentry series about the "Deadliest Men" not about Gipsy life per se.

True but it highlighted once again that imo there is not another part of society that sticks together as much as the Gypsy community and that is a trait i'll always be envious of.

Chinese people

Really?

in my experience yeah

Yeah they are pretty tight knit...even when you're "in" as non-chinese you're not really in.

[RioRodent]

Just stumbled across this collection of doggy pics I thought you might like Tom - http://picasaweb.google.com/lampingman/ASNAPSHOTOFWHATIDO#

Also, I thought this was cracker of a racing whippet 'applying the brakes' -

Click to see full-size image.

[RED-DOG]

I do so love sight hounds. Especially lurchers with a little bull blood in them...  or Bedlington x whippets... or saluki x collie x greyhound....

Great whippet pic btw. My dad has a terrific little whippet named Pal. He was as nesh as a newborn baby and an inveterate thief, but he could do a score of coney on the lamp without breaking a sweat.

[GreekStein]

I've been reading this diary a bit more lately too Red and as of today I'm going to start from the beginning. Gotta agree with Titaniumbean that you have a knack for making the simplest things seem so interesting.

In terms of the last few pages and stories about gypsies it was interesting that people should mention Paddy Doherty etc. I've seen the episode with Danny Dyer but if I'm 100% honest with you, the mention of gypsies has always tended to have a fairly negative connotation in my mind though nonetheless an absolutely fascinating one. Any hint of a programme about gypsies on TV and I'll be glued.

Like myself, I think a lot of people have this notion of gypsies as very aggressive people. We once had gypsies move into my area and they caused nothing but trouble, including trying to break into my garage and also trying to mug me when I was about 14, this all within a 2 week period. I also had a friend Jon-Paul, a gypsy boy who used to play in our football team. Whilst I liked him I would have been scared shitless if he was on the other team - he was an absolute nut case who now coincidentally is an underground boxer. Likewise if you type 'gypsy' into google you're likely to get more fighting results than anything else. I don't know whether gypsies vary from area to area but the ones I've ever come into contact with I've always found extremely intimidating and hence I've only formed an opinion based on such experiences. 

Not really quite sure what I want to ask you but I was very surprised to find out you were a gypsy as you'd probably break every stereotype in my head about them. Do gypsies vary in character and attitude across different parts of the UK? Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

Do you think more people than not share my view? Do you think the media has played a part in this?

Sorry for the rambling and all the questions!

[kinboshi]

Gypsy is a proper noun Cos. 

[RED-DOG]

I've been reading this diary a bit more lately too Red and as of today I'm going to start from the beginning. Gotta agree with Titaniumbean that you have a knack for making the simplest things seem so interesting.

In terms of the last few pages and stories about gypsies it was interesting that people should mention Paddy Doherty etc. I've seen the episode with Danny Dyer but if I'm 100% honest with you, the mention of gypsies has always tended to have a fairly negative connotation in my mind though nonetheless an absolutely fascinating one. Any hint of a programme about gypsies on TV and I'll be glued.

Like myself, I think a lot of people have this notion of gypsies as very aggressive people. We once had gypsies move into my area and they caused nothing but trouble, including trying to break into my garage and also trying to mug me when I was about 14, this all within a 2 week period. I also had a friend Jon-Paul, a gypsy boy who used to play in our football team. Whilst I liked him I would have been scared shitless if he was on the other team - he was an absolute nut case who now coincidentally is an underground boxer. Likewise if you type 'gypsy' into google you're likely to get more fighting results than anything else. I don't know whether gypsies vary from area to area but the ones I've ever come into contact with I've always found extremely intimidating and hence I've only formed an opinion based on such experiences. 

Not really quite sure what I want to ask you but I was very surprised to find out you were a gypsy as you'd probably break every stereotype in my head about them. Do gypsies vary in character and attitude across different parts of the UK? Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

Do you think more people than not share my view? Do you think the media has played a part in this?

Sorry for the rambling and all the questions!

Thanks for your comments, your interest and your questions Cos.

The answers to most of your questions are in this thread somewhere, but I will say a little about the bit I've highlighted.

Gypsies vary in character not from region to region, but from person, just like everyone else.

Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are.


BTW- I know this is a small thing, but it's important. When you write the word "Gypsy" please use an uppercase "G" as in "GreekStein" 


Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

You could read "A Wandering of Gypsies" Written by my father, (aided and abbeted by my mother) It will give you a great and honest insight into everyday Gypsy life, but, in all fairness, it probably won't be unbiased

 

[GreekStein]

I've been reading this diary a bit more lately too Red and as of today I'm going to start from the beginning. Gotta agree with Titaniumbean that you have a knack for making the simplest things seem so interesting.

In terms of the last few pages and stories about gypsies it was interesting that people should mention Paddy Doherty etc. I've seen the episode with Danny Dyer but if I'm 100% honest with you, the mention of gypsies has always tended to have a fairly negative connotation in my mind though nonetheless an absolutely fascinating one. Any hint of a programme about gypsies on TV and I'll be glued.

Like myself, I think a lot of people have this notion of gypsies as very aggressive people. We once had gypsies move into my area and they caused nothing but trouble, including trying to break into my garage and also trying to mug me when I was about 14, this all within a 2 week period. I also had a friend Jon-Paul, a gypsy boy who used to play in our football team. Whilst I liked him I would have been scared shitless if he was on the other team - he was an absolute nut case who now coincidentally is an underground boxer. Likewise if you type 'gypsy' into google you're likely to get more fighting results than anything else. I don't know whether gypsies vary from area to area but the ones I've ever come into contact with I've always found extremely intimidating and hence I've only formed an opinion based on such experiences. 

Not really quite sure what I want to ask you but I was very surprised to find out you were a gypsy as you'd probably break every stereotype in my head about them. Do gypsies vary in character and attitude across different parts of the UK? Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

Do you think more people than not share my view? Do you think the media has played a part in this?

Sorry for the rambling and all the questions!

Thanks for your comments, your interest and your questions Cos.

The answers to most of your questions are in this thread somewhere, but I will say a little about the bit I've highlighted.

Gypsies vary in character not from region to region, but from person, just like everyone else.

Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are.


BTW- I know this is a small thing, but it's important. When you write the word "Gypsy" please use an uppercase "G" as in "GreekStein" 


Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

You could read "A Wandering of Gypsies" Written by my father, (aided and abbeted by my mother) It will give you a great and honest insight into everyday Gypsy life, but, in all fairness, it probably won't be unbiased

 

Thanks for the response Tom. I actually saw you make a note of this somewhere before so I've not no excuse for remembering it's with a 'G' from now on.

This has really intrigued me.... "Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are."

Please could you explain briefly as I'm one of the clueless people who don't know!

Where am I able to buy your father's book Tom?

Best of luck in the EPO today.

[RED-DOG]

I've been reading this diary a bit more lately too Red and as of today I'm going to start from the beginning. Gotta agree with Titaniumbean that you have a knack for making the simplest things seem so interesting.

In terms of the last few pages and stories about gypsies it was interesting that people should mention Paddy Doherty etc. I've seen the episode with Danny Dyer but if I'm 100% honest with you, the mention of gypsies has always tended to have a fairly negative connotation in my mind though nonetheless an absolutely fascinating one. Any hint of a programme about gypsies on TV and I'll be glued.

Like myself, I think a lot of people have this notion of gypsies as very aggressive people. We once had gypsies move into my area and they caused nothing but trouble, including trying to break into my garage and also trying to mug me when I was about 14, this all within a 2 week period. I also had a friend Jon-Paul, a gypsy boy who used to play in our football team. Whilst I liked him I would have been scared shitless if he was on the other team - he was an absolute nut case who now coincidentally is an underground boxer. Likewise if you type 'gypsy' into google you're likely to get more fighting results than anything else. I don't know whether gypsies vary from area to area but the ones I've ever come into contact with I've always found extremely intimidating and hence I've only formed an opinion based on such experiences. 

Not really quite sure what I want to ask you but I was very surprised to find out you were a gypsy as you'd probably break every stereotype in my head about them. Do gypsies vary in character and attitude across different parts of the UK? Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

Do you think more people than not share my view? Do you think the media has played a part in this?

Sorry for the rambling and all the questions!

Thanks for your comments, your interest and your questions Cos.

The answers to most of your questions are in this thread somewhere, but I will say a little about the bit I've highlighted.

Gypsies vary in character not from region to region, but from person, just like everyone else.

Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are.


BTW- I know this is a small thing, but it's important. When you write the word "Gypsy" please use an uppercase "G" as in "GreekStein" 


Is there a book I could read to give me an unbiased idea of what gypsies and gypsy life is like?

You could read "A Wandering of Gypsies" Written by my father, (aided and abbeted by my mother) It will give you a great and honest insight into everyday Gypsy life, but, in all fairness, it probably won't be unbiased

 

Thanks for the response Tom. I actually saw you make a note of this somewhere before so I've not no excuse for remembering it's with a 'G' from now on.

This has really intrigued me.... "Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are."

Please could you explain briefly as I'm one of the clueless people who don't know!

Where am I able to buy your father's book Tom?

Best of luck in the EPO today.

Please could you explain briefly as I'm one of the clueless people who don't know!

Arrgghh!! This is such a big question, you wouldn't believe it. A brief explanation would only confuse you more. Have a read of the thread and then ask me again, or talk to me when you see me.

Where am I able to buy your father's book Tom?

http://www.robertdawson.co.uk/product.php?f=79

[EvilPie]

Welcome to Red's thread Cos. I don't post often but I'm an avid reader.

You'll enjoy the thread, it's very informative and interesting mate.

All the questions you've asked are answered in here somewhere or another and you'll get better answers by reading them from the time Red first spoke of his views on each subject as there's usually a story of some sort attached. It'll just take you ages to get there but it's worth the wait.

Oh and Gypsy requires capitalisation please. But you know that now as do the rest of us.

[AndrewT]

Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are.

BTW- I know this is a small thing, but it's important. When you write the word "Gypsy" please use an uppercase "G" as in "GreekStein" 

But surely, if Gypsy is a term used for a very particular set of people, but the same word is also used to refer to a more general group of people, then gypsy with a small g is a valid term for this second group, as they are different from Gypsies?

Kind of like Liberals and liberals.

[titaniumbean]

Most people who are perceived as or labled "Gypsy" by the general public are not in fact Gypsies. Mostly. the general public have no idea what Gypsies are.

BTW- I know this is a small thing, but it's important. When you write the word "Gypsy" please use an uppercase "G" as in "GreekStein" 

But surely, if Gypsy is a term used for a very particular set of people, but the same word is also used to refer to a more general group of people, then gypsy with a small g is a valid term for this second group, as they are different from Gypsies?

Kind of like Liberals and liberals.

I agree I was thinking about this, if there is such a difference shouldn't the capitalisation (sp?) of the first letter indicate who you're referencing?