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« Reply #8145 on: February 06, 2010, 12:21:02 PM »

What do you think about "Mind over matter" in general, and this in particular?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8498233.stm

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« Reply #8146 on: February 06, 2010, 01:23:01 PM »

What do you think about "Mind over matter" in general, and this in particular?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8498233.stm



I personally believe that the mind is incredibly powerful if we know how to use it.

Unfortunately we aren't taught at school how to use it so we never get the chance to develop it.

I think one of the main problems people have is that the mind works in the present whereas people's thought processes try to work in the future.

For example:

"I want to start going to the gym"

A good intention without any doubt but unfortunately not a helpful sentence to stick in your mind.

All you're telling your mind is that at present you don't go to the gym so that's what it believes.

If you try telling yourself that you want to feel younger all you are saying to your mind is that you actually feel old.

It's really simple but really powerful and makes it difficult to break bad habits.

I could babble on about this for ages. It's something I've got interested in recently and it's fascinating stuff.
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« Reply #8147 on: February 06, 2010, 02:31:35 PM »

What do you think about "Mind over matter" in general, and this in particular?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8498233.stm





I could babble on for ages.

FYP,

you're beginning to sound like Dan

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« Reply #8148 on: February 06, 2010, 08:19:18 PM »

Tom watch this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qhs5v/Great_Rift_Africas_wild_heart_Fire/


Look at those mole rats! 4 minutes in
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« Reply #8149 on: February 07, 2010, 04:03:30 PM »

What do you think about "Mind over matter" in general, and this in particular?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8498233.stm



I personally believe that the mind is incredibly powerful if we know how to use it.

Unfortunately we aren't taught at school how to use it so we never get the chance to develop it.

I think one of the main problems people have is that the mind works in the present whereas people's thought processes try to work in the future.

For example:

"I want to start going to the gym"

A good intention without any doubt but unfortunately not a helpful sentence to stick in your mind.

All you're telling your mind is that at present you don't go to the gym so that's what it believes.

If you try telling yourself that you want to feel younger all you are saying to your mind is that you actually feel old.

It's really simple but really powerful and makes it difficult to break bad habits.

I could babble on about this for ages. It's something I've got interested in recently and it's fascinating stuff.

Are you one of those Jedi?
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« Reply #8150 on: February 08, 2010, 04:01:02 PM »

Red I'm interested to know what was your speciality when hawking. What were you hawking and who did you trade best with. Young families, older people, ladies?


Had this biscuit discusion on another forum. Went on for years, shut down now. You have been warned. 

I haven't forgotten your hawking question BTW Kev, but the more I think about it, the more complex the answer becomes.

Let me cogitate a while longer.

No problem Tom. It interests me because I have been involved with direct sales/business since 1984. Many moons ago while I was a sales manager my job was to ring the enquiries and send the salespeople on them. It was so important to match them up correctly for optimun return. 




As Kev will perhaps appreciate, this is a huge question, I could fill a book with the answer, but I’m afraid you will have to settle for this one, which just scratches the surface.


For the uninitiated,  hawking, (In this context) means to go from place to place to peddle your wares, to look for something that you can buy and sell at a profit, or to look for work. I assume the word is derived from the practice of hunting with birds of prey, or, more accurately, the way a bird of prey hunts, flitting about in search of it’s living.

Kev’s Question came in three parts. (In bold below) Part one and two are almost, but not quite the same, and the answer to part three depends on the answers to one and two.

I know that sounds confusing, but bear with me.


1: What was your speciality when hawking?


First and foremost, Gypsies have to specialise in purporting to be what they are not, to excel at affectation, to master the noble art of the masquerade, or, to but it bluntly, they have to be able blag it.

You could say that they are the original “Jacks of all trades”, which would be true, but also somewhat misleading. While it’s common for a Gypsy decide on the spur of the moment (Or when the opportunity presents itself) that he is a master builder, a landscape gardener, an antiques dealer, or any one of countless other trades, it is just as common for him to learn on the fly and then go on to become highly accomplished.



2:What were you hawking?

This takes us back to my earlier, 3-part definition of hawking.

Hawking to peddle your wares.

Over the years I’ve sold things like logs, horse manure, oriental rugs, bedding, carpets, corrugated sheets, timber, paint, field gates, boots & shoes, pallets, foam rubber matting etc. In addition to this there were all sorts of other “One off” lots.

For example. My brother Tracy and I once bought and sold over 200 of the old red telephone boxes. We bought the first lorry load, (8 boxes) on a sale or return basis, and took them to an entrepreneurial “Arthur Daley” type bloke who would have a go at anything. He was quite excited to get them, and when we asked if he would buy more if we should happen to find any, (We already had access to another 20 loads) “Of course” He replied, unsuspecting, “Bring as many as you like at the same price”.

By the time we had delivered all 200, he had a face like a vinegar plant, but was good to his word, he stood on, and paid up without a murmur.

Hawking for something that you can buy and sell at a profit.

This could be a huge category. Gypsies are always looking for something to buy and sell, but things that I actually hawked for (Not at the same time of course, but having said that, if you were looking for one thing and spotted another….) were scrap iron, rags, woollens, non ferrous metals, batteries, traction plates, turnings, stampings, swarf, cars and vans, various engines, gearboxes, starters, dynamos, alternators, clutch plates, shock absorbers, suspension legs, CV joints, prop shafts, furniture, antiques, collectables, and so on.

This reminds me of one time when I was hawking for batteries with an aging Transit lorry. One of the first ever diesel versions, it was fitted with a tiny Perkins 4108 engine, which, in the days before political correctness came to Yorkshire, was often described as “Too chuffin’ weak t’ pull a darkie off yer missus”.

It’s a simple little story, but the memory of it amuses me. (I’ll tell it to you later)


Hawking for work.

In my case this would include property repairs and maintenance, building, roofing, landscaping, laying tarmac, concreting, tar and chipping, paving, tree felling, barn spraying, grinding, upvc, rubbish removal, turfing, fencing etc…

3: Who did you trade best with?

Obviously the people I traded with was dependent on the type of hawking I was doing at the time.

Hawking businesses and factories for used vehicles, scrap, non ferrous metals, swarf, stampings, turnings, semi-precious metals etc, meant dealing with lots of over confident, (and often somewhat arrogant) businessmen. (Assuming I could get past the secretary, which was an art in itself )  These guys were always looking for a few readies, and the phrase “Cash in your hand” would work wonders. They were also always trying to lift my leg, which in my book, was fine, because it gave me leave to try to lift theirs.



If I was hawking houses (Grinding, gardening, antiques, property work etc) I did my best trade with older people. Not because they were an easy mark, but because they were straight, and they didn’t try to wriggle out of paying once the work was done.

(I never tried to put one over on the people who were straight with me, although I did charge the obviously wealthy ones more than I charged the obviously poor ones).

In this category, I also liked to deal with Asians. They are devilishly tough negotiators, but they never dismiss you out of hand when you knock on the door, they are always prepared to listen to your pitch, and (if interested) make you a ridiculously low opening offer.

Hawking scrap yards for car parts was always something I enjoyed, and, (Probably because I have so much in common with those oil stained men who sit around glowing pot-bellied stoves in dark, leaky sheds) these are the group with whom I had the most success.

As I said, this is just a token answer and a badly explained one at that. (It even looks confusing to me, and I know what I’m trying to say)

Perhaps I’ll talk more about it in the future.

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« Reply #8151 on: February 08, 2010, 04:15:35 PM »

NB: I feel I have to qualify the word "Success" here.

I was always a far cry from being the best hawker, and success was often measured merely by earning something, as opposed to earning nothing.
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« Reply #8152 on: February 08, 2010, 04:53:20 PM »

Were you ever involved in any bare knuckle bouts for cash ? Or watched/wagered any ?
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« Reply #8153 on: February 08, 2010, 05:44:39 PM »

Excellent read Tom, and yes it does scratch the surface. When I first started selling on a commission only basis I used to consider myself unemployed each day. This meant that I had to make my wage for that day. Sometimes you could go days, even weeks before you sold, adding to the stress of making a living. I guess that's the same mentality you have to adopt as a hawker, you have to do some business or go skint.

I'm not suprised that older people are good for you to do business with, they are for me. However I agree that adopting yourself to different people is essential or you will never make a success of trading.

I'm sure you have some funny stories whilst hawking, it would be great to hear some.

Thanks for making the effort to answer my question.

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« Reply #8154 on: February 08, 2010, 06:15:22 PM »

Heh love the telephone box story. Looks like the poor bloke's still trying to shift them - he's getting a nice price on them now I bet though!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORIGINAL-BRITISH-RED-K6-TELEPHONE-BOX-BOOTH-KIOSK_W0QQitemZ380152135912QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=40d32e8311d0a0aad5732643ff3cffd1
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« Reply #8155 on: February 08, 2010, 06:27:51 PM »

Beats the shower version.
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« Reply #8156 on: February 08, 2010, 06:28:56 PM »

Beats the shower version.


Looks like a bar to me ... can I come round your house for a shower please Smiley
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« Reply #8157 on: February 08, 2010, 06:41:22 PM »

Were you ever involved in any bare knuckle bouts for cash ? Or watched/wagered any ?

No. Bare knuckle fights were, and are, frequent, but almost always for pride, not cash.

I've often been present, but thankfully, seldom involved.
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« Reply #8158 on: February 08, 2010, 06:46:17 PM »

Were you ever involved in any bare knuckle bouts for cash ? Or watched/wagered any ?

No. Bare knuckle fights were, and are, frequent, but almost always for pride, not cash.

I've often been present, but thankfully, seldom involved.

LOL I want to know about when you were involved if that isn't too nosey
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« Reply #8159 on: February 08, 2010, 06:48:05 PM »

Heh love the telephone box story. Looks like the poor bloke's still trying to shift them - he's getting a nice price on them now I bet though!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORIGINAL-BRITISH-RED-K6-TELEPHONE-BOX-BOOTH-KIOSK_W0QQitemZ380152135912QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=40d32e8311d0a0aad5732643ff3cffd1

Blimey. We bought ours for £175 each and sold them for £200. We could get 8 boxes on a lorry and we had to deliver them to a yard on the other side of the Pennines.

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