Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[StuartHopkin]

Spacefrog is here!

[Rod Paradise]

Possibly a dumb question - but what prevents under the gun betting 4 without looking when it's his turn in a no straddle game? Is it basically a no blind betting game?

nothing but that's not a live straddle, just a blind bet. a straddle buys position

But does it change what the effect of the bet is?  You've still bought the position.

It gives the same options that the big blind would have in a non straddled pot.

So if someone straddles to 4 and there are 4 callers he has the option to check or raise.

As Gatso said if utg just bets 4 and there are 4 callers the betting stops and you see a flop.

Ah get you - don't play a lot of cash and have seldom encountered a straddle - cheers.

[kinboshi]

You can actually straddle at .50/1 game though can't you Dan

Yes, you can if you have a partner in crime. How did that work for you?

I rarely straddle but I do like to be sat at a table with a few who do, especially those who show they like to protect their straddle.

Im sure people will argue with me but I dont think its possible to make a good profit at the .50/1 game. The games play horribly, normally made up with people gambling money they can't afford to lose.

The 1/2 is full of people wanting a gamble, they cant wait for the premiums and want to push for action every other hand.
I think I play a pretty tight game when I play, but no one really notices like they should. Everyones still happy to pay me off.

If you have the roll, then playing a game with loads of straddling is probably very good for your profit.  I don't disagree.  But the jump from the .50/1 tables with a max sit down and no straddle; to the £1/2 game with no max and straddles is huge imo.  Bankroll required for .50/1 game is about £1,000 or £2,000?  Bankroll for £1/2 is probably well over £5,000, I'd say nearer £10k?  Or am I well off the mark with those?

[Blatch]

You can actually straddle at .50/1 game though can't you Dan

Yes, you can if you have a partner in crime. How did that work for you?

I rarely straddle but I do like to be sat at a table with a few who do, especially those who show they like to protect their straddle.

Im sure people will argue with me but I dont think its possible to make a good profit at the .50/1 game. The games play horribly, normally made up with people gambling money they can't afford to lose.

The 1/2 is full of people wanting a gamble, they cant wait for the premiums and want to push for action every other hand.
I think I play a pretty tight game when I play, but no one really notices like they should. Everyones still happy to pay me off.

If you have the roll, then playing a game with loads of straddling is probably very good for your profit.  I don't disagree.  But the jump from the .50/1 tables with a max sit down and no straddle; to the £1/2 game with no max and straddles is huge imo.  Bankroll required for .50/1 game is about £1,000 or £2,000?  Bankroll for £1/2 is probably well over £5,000, I'd say nearer £10k?  Or am I well off the mark with those?

Depends if you have Mitch at the table

[Mitch]

I think the capped games/ no straddle games would be good at deepstack weekends because alot of the time the regular 50/1 players are just spread out around the 1/2 games short stacking which can obviously really ruin a game, especially with straddles when players are making moves and someone sticks their last £13 in to make you show down a hand 

With regards to the regular game, i dont think their is enough players to spread round to make separate tables in the week and on non-festival days. When DTD first opened there was regularly 4 or 5 games to choose from but these have dried up significantly. I think making the 1/2 game capped, say at £200 like it originally was, would maybe help 2/5 games start, but personally i don't want to come down mid week when theres very little chance of this running and have to play a capped 1/2.

Tom, is response to your game, you know your a winning player down there. I think the problem is you need to decide how you want to play. You have defiantly opened up a bit more playing connectors etc but when its regularly £14ish to see a flop and you 'only' sitting with £200 it can quickly drain away your cash. I agree with Matt that for you a much more solid approach works better as not many people will even notice your only playing nuts and will pay you off anyway. Your probably the only person i know who would easily be able to pull this strategy off because you have the patience to sit there all night and not get involved with fancy plays and don't let boredom and tilt really affect your game.

When i go home having done £400 more than i should have because I'm trying to get back level for the night or make it feel like ive made someting for my time, i always try to remind myself that every time i play is just one long session, rather than a days session which affects the way i play. This is something that you never seem to do which gives you a massive advantage IMO.

Good luck in what you decide to do, ive got a very strong feeling it will be heavily poker related because i know you love the game. Leave the internets the kidz and get down DTD so we can flip for puddings 

See you soon.

[StuartHopkin]

You can actually straddle at .50/1 game though can't you Dan

Yes, you can if you have a partner in crime. How did that work for you?

I rarely straddle but I do like to be sat at a table with a few who do, especially those who show they like to protect their straddle.

Im sure people will argue with me but I dont think its possible to make a good profit at the .50/1 game. The games play horribly, normally made up with people gambling money they can't afford to lose.

The 1/2 is full of people wanting a gamble, they cant wait for the premiums and want to push for action every other hand.
I think I play a pretty tight game when I play, but no one really notices like they should. Everyones still happy to pay me off.

If you have the roll, then playing a game with loads of straddling is probably very good for your profit.  I don't disagree.  But the jump from the .50/1 tables with a max sit down and no straddle; to the £1/2 game with no max and straddles is huge imo.  Bankroll required for .50/1 game is about £1,000 or £2,000?  Bankroll for £1/2 is probably well over £5,000, I'd say nearer £10k?  Or am I well off the mark with those?

Im the wrong person to ask about bankroll management. In all seriousness I would hate to play where I have to have this perspective on the game.

I dont think I could ever sit down with the right mindset if I was relying on the money I may win to pay bills or feed my family. I think the more you worry about a downswing/diminishing bankroll the more it will subconciously effect the way you play.

I only ever sit down with money I dont mind losing.

[EvilPie]

You can actually straddle at .50/1 game though can't you Dan

Yes, you can if you have a partner in crime. How did that work for you?

I rarely straddle but I do like to be sat at a table with a few who do, especially those who show they like to protect their straddle.

Im sure people will argue with me but I dont think its possible to make a good profit at the .50/1 game. The games play horribly, normally made up with people gambling money they can't afford to lose.

The 1/2 is full of people wanting a gamble, they cant wait for the premiums and want to push for action every other hand.
I think I play a pretty tight game when I play, but no one really notices like they should. Everyones still happy to pay me off.

If you have the roll, then playing a game with loads of straddling is probably very good for your profit.  I don't disagree.  But the jump from the .50/1 tables with a max sit down and no straddle; to the £1/2 game with no max and straddles is huge imo.  Bankroll required for .50/1 game is about £1,000 or £2,000?  Bankroll for £1/2 is probably well over £5,000, I'd say nearer £10k?  Or am I well off the mark with those?

Im the wrong person to ask about bankroll management. In all seriousness I would hate to play where I have to have this perspective on the game.

I dont think I could ever sit down with the right mindset if I was relying on the money I may win to pay bills or feed my family. I think the more you worry about a downswing/diminishing bankroll the more it will subconciously effect the way you play.

I only ever sit down with money I dont mind losing.

This is why I've been doing my little micro bankroll challenge. I've never needed to win to survive so poker has always just been fun.

Now I've got my little bankroll it's become like a pet and I want to nurture it and watch it grow in to a big bankroll.

I'm very protective of my bankroll and don't want to do it any harm by doing silly things with it.

[RED-DOG]

I think the capped games/ no straddle games would be good at deepstack weekends because alot of the time the regular 50/1 players are just spread out around the 1/2 games short stacking which can obviously really ruin a game, especially with straddles when players are making moves and someone sticks their last £13 in to make you show down a hand 

With regards to the regular game, i dont think their is enough players to spread round to make separate tables in the week and on non-festival days. When DTD first opened there was regularly 4 or 5 games to choose from but these have dried up significantly. I think making the 1/2 game capped, say at £200 like it originally was, would maybe help 2/5 games start, but personally i don't want to come down mid week when theres very little chance of this running and have to play a capped 1/2.

Tom, is response to your game, you know your a winning player down there. I think the problem is you need to decide how you want to play. You have defiantly opened up a bit more playing connectors etc but when its regularly £14ish to see a flop and you 'only' sitting with £200 it can quickly drain away your cash. I agree with Matt that for you a much more solid approach works better as not many people will even notice your only playing nuts and will pay you off anyway. Your probably the only person i know who would easily be able to pull this strategy off because you have the patience to sit there all night and not get involved with fancy plays and don't let boredom and tilt really affect your game.

When i go home having done £400 more than i should have because I'm trying to get back level for the night or make it feel like ive made someting for my time, i always try to remind myself that every time i play is just one long session, rather than a days session which affects the way i play. This is something that you never seem to do which gives you a massive advantage IMO.

Good luck in what you decide to do, ive got a very strong feeling it will be heavily poker related because i know you love the game. Leave the internets the kidz and get down DTD so we can flip for puddings 

See you soon.

Thanks Mitch. Coming from you, that's a real confidence booster.

BTW- Flipping for ponies is one thing, flipping for puddings is serious.

[EvilPie]

Thanks Mitch. Coming from you, that's a real confidence booster.

BTW- Flipping for ponies is one thing, flipping for puddings is serious.

When you flip for these puddings Tom do you always make sure that you order the most expensive pudding they do?

You need to be careful not to miss these spots for increasing your flip equity.

If you order something cheap you're just burning money.

[RED-DOG]

Thanks Mitch. Coming from you, that's a real confidence booster.

BTW- Flipping for ponies is one thing, flipping for puddings is serious.

When you flip for these puddings Tom do you always make sure that you order the most expensive pudding they do?

You need to be careful not to miss these spots for increasing your flip equity.

If you order something cheap you're just burning money.

Against Mitch and Neill, I use PorkerTracker and a PUD device.

[gatso]

tbh tom, reading through the last few pages and seeing your attitude to learning new things about the game, analysing hands after sessions, pha, tracking software etc- if you gave me that info in a vacuum about a player I'd be really surprised if they weren't losing

the game is constantly moving, you're not and that's going to hurt you

[thetank]

lol @ the idea of a no straddling table.

An occasional player doing his bollox, little on tilt, sticks in a straddle.

I'm sorry sir, no straddling is allowed at this table.

What?

This table is for kiddie grinders and nits only. We want to allow people to pick you dry within their comfort zone.
 

[RED-DOG]

lol @ the idea of a no straddling table.

An occasional player doing his bollox, little on tilt, sticks in a straddle.

I'm sorry sir, no straddling is allowed at this table.

What?

This table is for kiddie grinders and nits only. We want to allow people to pick you dry within their comfort zone.
 

 

[Kev B]

Here's a plan Tom. Use a portion of you remaining bankroll and get to Vegas for a few weeks. They're so bloody terrible out there you should replenish your roll in no time.


 

[RED-DOG]

On TV now "Instant Restaurant"

Intro: "Two rival amateur cooks are turning their homes into restaurants for just one day"


Rival Amateur cooks? WTF?

And why are they turning their houses into restaurants? They should be pan-fighting at Cleethorpes.