Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2169713/Terminally-ill-market-trader-granted-hospital-visit-loved-horse-dies.html

What a great story. Glad to see no health and safety nonsence reared it's head.

Oh dear Kev, probs the worst one yet.

Apologies for the nag

Geo

Ignore him Kev. Not all Scots moan until they're hoarse. (You never hear Eck whine).

[Geo the Sarge]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2169713/Terminally-ill-market-trader-granted-hospital-visit-loved-horse-dies.html

What a great story. Glad to see no health and safety nonsence reared it's head.

Oh dear Kev, probs the worst one yet.

Apologies for the nag

Geo

Ignore him Kev. Not all Scots moan until they're hoarse. (You never hear Eck whine).

Whinney want to see me when I'm angry

Geo

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2169713/Terminally-ill-market-trader-granted-hospital-visit-loved-horse-dies.html

What a great story. Glad to see no health and safety nonsence reared it's head.

Oh dear Kev, probs the worst one yet.

Apologies for the nag

Geo

Ignore him Kev. Not all Scots moan until they're hoarse. (You never hear Eck whine).

Whinney want to see me when I'm angry

Geo

Neigh.

[Kev B]

Careful now Geo you might get saddled as a whinney Scot

[kinboshi]

Their actions are terrible and unjustifiable, but the fact they're Travellers is largely irrelevant to the story. Somehow, it's become the headline.

They are described as a family of travellers, which I assume they are, how would you like them to be described?

If it was a family from Edinburgh I would expect the headline to say "Edinburgh family"

If it was the family of a pop/sport star I would expect the headline to say "pop/sports star's family"

If it were a Chinese family I would expect the headline to say "Chinese family"

Or have I missed something?

If I seen a headline of "Soldier leads gang forcing men into slavery" I don't think, oh ffs, everyone is going to think all soldiers do that sort of thing and I don't believe many other intelligent people do either.

Geo

Chinese family, English family, Indian family, Muslim family, Christian family, Black family, Gypsy family, etc. - irrelevant. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Traveller-family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

could have very easily been:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

Highlighting the truly important and horrific part of the story.

[david3103]

Their actions are terrible and unjustifiable, but the fact they're Travellers is largely irrelevant to the story. Somehow, it's become the headline.

They are described as a family of travellers, which I assume they are, how would you like them to be described?

If it was a family from Edinburgh I would expect the headline to say "Edinburgh family"

If it was the family of a pop/sport star I would expect the headline to say "pop/sports star's family"

If it were a Chinese family I would expect the headline to say "Chinese family"

Or have I missed something?

If I seen a headline of "Soldier leads gang forcing men into slavery" I don't think, oh ffs, everyone is going to think all soldiers do that sort of thing and I don't believe many other intelligent people do either.

Geo

Chinese family, English family, Indian family, Muslim family, Christian family, Black family, Gypsy family, etc. - irrelevant. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Traveller-family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

could have very easily been:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

Highlighting the truly important and horrific part of the story.

Would you see it the same if it had been 'Christian family found guilty of forcing homeless men into slavery'?

[kinboshi]

Their actions are terrible and unjustifiable, but the fact they're Travellers is largely irrelevant to the story. Somehow, it's become the headline.

They are described as a family of travellers, which I assume they are, how would you like them to be described?

If it was a family from Edinburgh I would expect the headline to say "Edinburgh family"

If it was the family of a pop/sport star I would expect the headline to say "pop/sports star's family"

If it were a Chinese family I would expect the headline to say "Chinese family"

Or have I missed something?

If I seen a headline of "Soldier leads gang forcing men into slavery" I don't think, oh ffs, everyone is going to think all soldiers do that sort of thing and I don't believe many other intelligent people do either.

Geo

Chinese family, English family, Indian family, Muslim family, Christian family, Black family, Gypsy family, etc. - irrelevant. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Traveller-family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

could have very easily been:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

Highlighting the truly important and horrific part of the story.

Would you see it the same if it had been 'Christian family found guilty of forcing homeless men into slavery'?

Yes, it's irrelevant.  Criticise someone based on what they do, not what they are.  Unless the race or religion is somehow central to the story, then why make it the first word in the headline?  Why doesn't that headline say "Bedfordshire family..."? 

A group of boys attack and sexually assault a girl - if the headline says "Muslim youths attack girl" it's very different to saying "Youths attack girl". 

[Geo the Sarge]

Their actions are terrible and unjustifiable, but the fact they're Travellers is largely irrelevant to the story. Somehow, it's become the headline.

They are described as a family of travellers, which I assume they are, how would you like them to be described?

If it was a family from Edinburgh I would expect the headline to say "Edinburgh family"

If it was the family of a pop/sport star I would expect the headline to say "pop/sports star's family"

If it were a Chinese family I would expect the headline to say "Chinese family"

Or have I missed something?

If I seen a headline of "Soldier leads gang forcing men into slavery" I don't think, oh ffs, everyone is going to think all soldiers do that sort of thing and I don't believe many other intelligent people do either.

Geo

Chinese family, English family, Indian family, Muslim family, Christian family, Black family, Gypsy family, etc. - irrelevant.  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Traveller-family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

could have very easily been:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392950/Family-guilty-of-forcing-homeless-men-into-slavery.html

Highlighting the truly important and horrific part of the story.

Would you see it the same if it had been 'Christian family found guilty of forcing homeless men into slavery'?

Yes, it's irrelevant.  Criticise someone based on what they do, not what they are.  Unless the race or religion is somehow central to the story, then why make it the first word in the headline?  Why doesn't that headline say "Bedfordshire family..."?  

A group of boys attack and sexually assault a girl - if the headline says "Muslim youths attack girl" it's very different to saying "Youths attack girl".  

My point is that in all these reports they are generally headed with XYZ family, be it Edinburgh, London, Manchester or whatever. Why would the fact that this family were described as Travellers be incorrect when that is what they are?

Agree on the irrelavency, my point was why did you think it only right to highlight this case?

If it had read "Bedfordshire family" then it would have been incorrect as they are Travellers..........ducy?

Geo

[kinboshi]

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Dead-of-night-gipsies-sneak-in-13072012.htm

This time an inaccurate headline, but one surely written to reinforce prejudices?

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May I introduce Floyd junior. (I think he's a girl).

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[Laxie]

What kind of bird is that?! 

[tikay]

Terrific photos!

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What kind of bird is that?! 

It's a great spotted woodpecker.

Isn't it great?

[Laxie]

What kind of bird is that?! 

It's a great spotted woodpecker.

Isn't it great?

It's lovely!  Great pic by ya too.

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Imagine playing golf for a living...

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