Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

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I can go ask them on monday for you Maybe ask them for all Certain type of stuff from x year to y for you to browse through? something like that.

If its a fair few items / folders of personal items it is best to book a slot to come so they have it all ready for you (or atleast retrieved from the huge archieves).

In theory thats any day of the week within opening times.

Most of the stuff in special collections is not digitially recorded and put online yet. But some of it maybe, again I would have to ask them, not out of the realms of possibility as they must have used alot of them last year. If they are not online then you would have to come view in the gallery yep (I am not sure on the permissions for copying them etc.....)

See what you can do if you would please acid. I would be happy to make an appointment and come at a time to suit.

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Got 5 minutes spare? Read this bloke's story.


R.I.P.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/army-obituaries/9722273/Maj-Gen-Tony-Deane-Drummond.html

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Got 5 minutes spare? Read this bloke's story.


R.I.P.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/army-obituaries/9722273/Maj-Gen-Tony-Deane-Drummond.html

They def don't make them like that anymore!

[pokerfan]

Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

I always thought if they were fitted they had to be worn, multi drop drivers can be exempt if they are travelling fewer than 50 meters between drops.

Ready to be corrected though.

[Geo the Sarge]

Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

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Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

[sovietsong]

Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

hand yourself in Tom, the last thing you want is an unexpected knock at the door

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Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

hand yourself in Tom, the last thing you want is an unexpected knock at the door

No need Sov. I'm not expecting an unexpected knock at the door.

[sovietsong]

Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

hand yourself in Tom, the last thing you want is an unexpected knock at the door

No need Sov. I'm not expecting an unexpected knock at the door.

I got pulled over last week by an unmarked police car, managed to go through a red light, when i was in the back of the car a call came over the radio.  A pub landlord had rang & shopped one of his punters for drink driving.  Not sure how relevant it is but found it interesting that the landlord would serve the guy all night then call the policy when he left in his car

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Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

hand yourself in Tom, the last thing you want is an unexpected knock at the door

No need Sov. I'm not expecting an unexpected knock at the door.

I got pulled over last week by an unmarked police car, managed to go through a red light, when i was in the back of the car a call came over the radio.  A pub landlord had rang & shopped one of his punters for drink driving.  Not sure how relevant it is but found it interesting that the landlord would serve the guy all night then call the policy when he left in his car

Perhaps he didn't know he was going to leave in his car. 

[sovietsong]

Can anyone tell me when the law requiring HGV drivers to wear seat belts was introduced please?

Was it introduced?

The link is from 2009 and seems to suggest it isn't law, which I find hard to believe tbh. All other sources seem to relate only to 1983 when law was introduced for cars and light vans.

One of the opening paragraphs in the link is:

Of course, even when seat belts are fitted they are not always worn. A decade ago, when the Government were thinking about introducing the legislation, it was estimated that only one in 10 truck drivers regularly wore a seat belt when fitted. That low level of usage remains a problem today, and I know that the Minister and his colleague are anxious to address the problem, and rightly so.

So it seems legislation wasn't in place then.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm091208/halltext/91208h0009.htm


Geo

Thanks Geo. It seem like you had the same trouble as me.

I was surprised to find that seatbelts were now a legal requirement for HGV drivers. I drive trucks occasionally and I wondered how long I've been unwittingly breaking the law.

 

hand yourself in Tom, the last thing you want is an unexpected knock at the door

No need Sov. I'm not expecting an unexpected knock at the door.

I got pulled over last week by an unmarked police car, managed to go through a red light, when i was in the back of the car a call came over the radio.  A pub landlord had rang & shopped one of his punters for drink driving.  Not sure how relevant it is but found it interesting that the landlord would serve the guy all night then call the policy when he left in his car

Perhaps he didn't know he was going to leave in his car. 

perhaps, i was a bit pissed at the time so hadnt properly thought it through.

[jakally]

Just spent a wonderful hour catching up with this Tom.

The digital story was beautiful - you have a great voice for that kind of thing.

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Just spent a wonderful hour catching up with this Tom.

The digital story was beautiful - you have a great voice for that kind of thing.

Thanks Neil, although I do wonder if anyone South of Watford can understand me when I just speak without making an effort to speak plainly.

I just spoke that piece into a recorder on my mobile phone. There was no script or anything, I just started speaking without really knowing what I was going to say, and then I added the pictures later.

I don't realise how strong my accent is until I hear a recording of it. I sound like the old Yorkshire scrapyard owners that I used to deal with in my youth.

"Tommy lad. Tha's a reet fanny merchant thee... Giy ower sortin' thisen all t' best stuff aht. Tha's tekkin all t' cre-am."

 

It's strange how one thing leads to another. If we can convince the powers that be that it's a good idea, I might be one of the people asked to go into schools to speak to the children.


I'm involved in a project with woman who is a research fellow at the Imperial War Museum in London. She has a keen interest in Gypsies.

She lives in Durham, and her house is very close to one of the traditional stopping places that Gipsies have used for generations to break the journey on their way to Appleby Fair. She often invites them to her house, or visits them at the camp.

She told me that one day, the school bus passed this way while the Gypsies were in residence. The school children, all 10/11 year olds, stared at the camp as they went by.

There were lots of the usual "Dirty Gypsy / Smelly Gypsy" type comments, but the Durham ladies daughter was also on the bus, and she was having none of it. She said " Hang on a minute, how do you know they're dirty and smelly? You don't know anything about them. they're just people like everyone else."


Apparently it turned in to quite an argument, resulting in the little girl falling out with her best friends.

When she heard the tale, the girl's mother realised that the only difference between the opposing sides was the fact that her daughter was familiar with Gypsies and the other children were not.

Now this lady is very well connected, and she used her considerable influence with both parties to arrange for some of the Gypsies to visit the school and talk to the children. The Gypsies took along some photographs, and they told the children a bit about their lives, their history and their culture.

It was a great success, and the hope is that  some of those children will carry what they learned with them into their adult lives.

Perhaps one day, one of them will be the person who stands up and says, "Hang on a minute...."

[MANTIS01]

I think the unscripted and accented commentary makes the piece authentic and rustic, exactly as it should be. A posh accent and word perfect commentary about the history of grinding bikes wouldn't work so well imo.

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Bostin!