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Quote from: Rod Paradise on September 03, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
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I am currently spending 3 or 4 hours a day searching for the right bike.Good luck !
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im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
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I could write so much here and people would say 'Yes, but that's with the benefit of hindsight'. The truth is, anyone with an ounce of foresight could have written the same thing week ago.
Are you referring to the Ashya King case, Tom?
Yes Tony. Sorry, I should have quoted your post.
As you said the other day, this case really resonates with me, and I know from personal experience just how unfeeling and vindictive senior medical consultants can be if they feel their wisdom or authority is being challenged.
I had the temerity to ask too many questions about my son's treatment and his consultant, rather than answer and reassure me said "Fine, if you're not happy, take the him elsewhere".
Imagine how those parents felt when they learned that there was a treatment that had a slim chance of helping their son, but he couldn't have it unless they took him elsewhere. What choice did they have?
I know it's difficult, but in all these cases, someone with a lot of authority is responsible for making an absolutely terrible decision. They should have to justify themselves.
I thought that was the case Tom, but I'm so easily whooshed these days, & I wanted to check before I waded in.
As I mentioned yesterday, it obviously resonates sharply with you & Vinni, & I'm sure a few others, so your angst is perfectly reasonable. Few of us can begin to imagine.
And yes, they should be required to justify, or attempt to justify, their decisions. It was obvious to most that they had badly bungled this whole thing.
I can fully understand why you feel so strongly, but there is another side to this.
The chap who messed this up, probably a senior policeman in the Hampshire Constabulary I imagine, is, in all probability, a decent man, trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He made a terrible mistake, yes yes yes, but he did so with genuine, if mistaken, good intent. Effectively, as HE SAW IT, a sick child had almost been kidnapped. At the time, he MAY have suspected they were a bit eccentric, or a member of some weird religious order that forbids medical treratement to children. Such organisations DO exist.
It's probable, when process has taken place, that he'll lose his job, or be demoted or whatever, & his character forever stained.
He made a mistake, there but for the grace of God & all that.
Under the circumstances, I doubt you'll agree with that, & I understand why. But that's my view.
What started out as good intent was a terrible, terrible, mistake, but I can think of far worse things than a hapless policeman. He's now being villified on social media by people, some of whom have never been responsible for much more than putting their wheely bins out once a week.
The whole thing is just horrible. Punishing the chap responsible won't change any of that. Unless he is plum stupid, which I doubt, he must be paying his bill already.
We are very precious about our children, & rightly so. Imagine if he had done nothing, & the case had panned out the other way, the parents were nutjobs, who just did not want their child treated due to some religious ideas?
We have seen many cases of social workers being villified, the "Baby P" sort of stories. I doubt it is ever quite as simple as it seems, when we view it from afar, or, as in my case, detached from how it feels to be a parent with a sickly child.
I just don't quite get this eye for an eye thing, it does not solve a damn thing, but I do understand why some people would be greviously hurt by it all. Passion is a stunningly powerful emotion.
Just to clarify, I don't think the policeman was at fault, I suspect that the senior medical person in charge of the case gave him a one-sided version of events and that the press, as ever, added fuel to the flames.
I hope I'm not vindictive, I truly believe that the vast majority of the medical profession do their very best under extremely difficult circumstances. it's just that I have seen the other side of the coin, on more than one occasion.
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Quote from: Rod Paradise on September 03, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
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Boom! Well done Rod.
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Quote from: Rod Paradise on September 03, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
CBT done
now bike shopping....
I am currently spending 3 or 4 hours a day searching for the right bike.Good luck !
Winter is coming, there will be more bike for sale at better prices soon.
Are you still on the C90 trail Boo, and if you do buy one do you think you will crave more power later on?
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When you both get mobile, are we going to meet up and have a test-camp somewhere?
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This is a nicely written Honda c90 travel blog.
http://www.honda50.cc/trip%20report/guestbook.php?start=50
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BTW- If I ever move up from a c90 I might consider Honda CG 125.
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I ordered this yesterday.
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Quote from: RED-DOG on September 03, 2014, 10:22:41 AM
Winter is coming, there will be more bike for sale at better prices soon.
Are you still on the C90 trail Boo, and if you do buy one do you think you will crave more power later on?
As i am getting on a bit now, i don't anticipate too many years of riding before my health will put a stop to it so am looking for a bigger bike.
Iliked your idea of cruising abroad so i am looking for something like a Yamaha Virago XV1100 , BMW R1100RT or HONDA ST1100L.
Something cheap that needs a little bit of work so i can spend the winter getting it ready for next year.
Quote from: RED-DOG on September 03, 2014, 10:23:58 AM
When you both get mobile, are we going to meet up and have a test-camp somewhere?
Definately. A meet up and camp trip in Wales or Scotchland would be perfect.
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im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
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I thought, as a noted technology expert, you might enjoy a newspaper telling its readers this today
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I thought, as a noted technology expert, you might enjoy a newspaper telling its readers this today
I was explaining cloud storage to Mrs Red and she asked me why I kept pointing at the sky every few seconds.
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I was explaining cloud storage to Mrs Red
and she asked me why I kept pointing at the sky every few seconds.
You ever heard of the expression "the bind leading the blind"?
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As i am getting on a bit now, i don't anticipate too many years of riding before my health will put a stop to it.
Too old?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Old-Man-Bike-Simon-Gandolfi/dp/1906321663
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Quote from: booder on September 03, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
I liked your idea of cruising abroad so i am looking for something like a Yamaha Virago XV1100 , BMW R1100RT or HONDA ST1100L.
Lol. We'll be like Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon.
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Quote from: RED-DOG on September 03, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: booder on September 03, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
As i am getting on a bit now, i don't anticipate too many years of riding before my health will put a stop to it.
Too old?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Old-Man-Bike-Simon-Gandolfi/dp/1906321663
LOL not too old yet.
Quote from: RED-DOG on September 03, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: booder on September 03, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
I liked your idea of cruising abroad so i am looking for something like a Yamaha Virago XV1100 , BMW R1100RT or HONDA ST1100L.
Lol. We'll be like Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon.
Haha. I have served my apprenticeship on smaller bikes ,tearing around like a lunatic , it is time for a more comfortable(for want of a better word) ride.Would be quite happy tootling around at low speeds so don't worry about getting left behind.
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im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr
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