Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[RED-DOG]

Hey Tom , can you guess which reader of your diary made this beauty ?

Wow! That's impressive.

Now who might be capable of that?

I'm going for Rod or Tal.

Aye was Rod.  Man of many talents.

Many worthless talents....

How did you come up with me or Tal Red?

Well over the years I've discussed old trades and crafts many times and been surprised by the depth your knowledge, so I thought it would be you.

If not you why Tal?

I may be totally wrong here, but I seem to remember learning that Tal was religious and I associate stained glass with churches. I also believe that Tal could do virtually anything if he put his mind to it.

[Rod Paradise]

Ah, was wondering as I kind of stick out at the class, big bald biker type in heavy metal t-shirts among retired teachers, the local minister etc.

I like knowing how things are done, but this is the first class I've taken that I've really taken to. There's a zen-like quality in that you can only work on one cut at a time, and you need to get it right, then get all pieces done before the work starts with each bit of lead, no shortcuts or jumping ahead will work.

I'm busy setting up a small workshop and have a panel for my mum's house designed & am designing one for above my front door.

Mum's Kitchen Door Window:

Click to see full-size image.

Above Door:

Click to see full-size image.

[RED-DOG]

Ah, was wondering as I kind of stick out at the class, big bald biker type in heavy metal t-shirts among retired teachers, the local minister etc.

I like knowing how things are done, but this is the first class I've taken that I've really taken to. There's a zen-like quality in that you can only work on one cut at a time, and you need to get it right, then get all pieces done before the work starts with each bit of lead, no shortcuts or jumping ahead will work.

I'm busy setting up a small workshop and have a panel for my mum's house designed & am designing one for above my front door.

Mum's Kitchen Door Window:

Click to see full-size image.

Above Door:

Click to see full-size image.

Really good, and they will last a thousand years. Great heirlooms

[nirvana]

These are great.

[Rod Paradise]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

[RED-DOG]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

[Mohican]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

[RED-DOG]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

[Rod Paradise]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

I'll remember and take pics as I go. Got an extra stage to go through first, building my workspace It's amazing how glass shards will fly - so you need a fairly enclosed place to keep from scattering them everywhere.

Can put it in another thread if you like, certainly don't want to hijack th diary, but there won't be lots of pics, and not that frequent.

[RED-DOG]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

No. I love this stuff on my thread.

Mohican is a tosser.

[Mohican]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

No. I love this stuff on my thread.

Mohican is a tosser.

Yep. Pancakes and salads.

[RED-DOG]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

No. I love this stuff on my thread.

Mohican is a tosser.

Yep. Pancakes and salads.

Mostly pancakes by the look of things....

[Mohican]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

No. I love this stuff on my thread.

Mohican is a tosser.

Yep. Pancakes and salads.

Mostly pancakes by the look of things....

Fair point. Well presented.

[RED-DOG]

These are great.

Thanks, that's just the designs though - a long way to getting an end result.

1 trip to glass suppliers to find suitable glass - got some for the lilies - 2 square foot panel - 8 square feet of glass costing about £50. (will be able to use offcuts in future jobs though).
2 cut each piece leaving room for the lead between them - lead comes in an H shape - glass fitting in at top & bottom of the H.
3 begin fitting piece by piece with lead holding the pieces together - grinding pieces to get a better fit & mitring the lead joints (this is where the most swearing comes out - it's like a jigsaw where the pieces just don't quite fit).
4 When all securely leaded, rub with beef tallow & solder every joint (the smell of the hot beef tallow reminds me of Yorkshire chip shops where they still cook the chips in dripping), then do other side.
5 using putty fill all gaps between lead & glass.
6 using chalk dust polish the glass, the dust kicks off putty setting.
7 clean any excess putty back to lead lines.
8 black polish the lead - like they used to do in the old days black polishing the ovens.

The last 4 parts use a lot of elbow grease - I'm glad we don't use cast iron ovens any more

It'll be a long while before the finished door window is pictured....

Well can we have pics of the various stages?

Perhaps a seperate thread so I don't have to keep coming in here to find the interesting bits from other blondes!

Cheers.

No. I love this stuff on my thread.

Mohican is a tosser.

Yep. Pancakes and salads.

Mostly pancakes by the look of things....

Fair point. Well presented.

So what's going on in your life these days Mr Mo? You've been quiet.

[Mohican]

I haz a reponse. Just a little hard for me to respond.
Will explain when I'm a little bit more sober.