Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[TightEnd]

are most of the horses in the community Tom kept "entire" for breeding purposes?

[Rod Paradise]

Typically, how much discount do you get for buying a horse "in the belly" Tom.

Well it would have no set price out of the belly, so in the belly is a real gamble. It's just as common to buy one too dear before it's born as it is to get one cheap.

PS- In the belly sales usually come with a "If it stands up and sucks" Caveat. Sods law dictates that if you have paid a lot and it turns out to be a poor specimen, it will be as healthy as healthy can be, but if it is a stunner and an absolute bargain, it will die before it gets out of the bag. 

Indeed.

[RED-DOG]

are most of the horses in the community Tom kept "entire" for breeding purposes?

No Rich. Very few entires are kept. It's such a -EV proposition.

Top class stallions are worth fortunes, and they earn a mint in stud fees, but almost as soon as a colt is born, you can find some reason why he's not quite the right stamp.

Everyone is always trying to off-load half a dozen or so yearling colts. Most are taken to auction and sold as pets or sturdy riders.

Very occasionally, one with real potential will turn up, and that creates incredible intrest.

[taximan007]

After reading just ONE of your life's tales Tom, I fail to see how anybody would not be interested.

Please keep posting, I think they are riveting stuff.

[Dingdell]

I'm loving the accents Tom - really brings it to life - some of the best things I have ever read. x

[RED-DOG]

Still on stallions Rich, look at it this way. You can't (or shouldn't) breed from your filly until she's 4yrs old, so that's 4yrs that you've invested for no return.

Then assuming she "Holds" first time, You still have to wait another 11 months to get your foal.

Then there is a 50/50 chance that your foal will be a colt, and then, unless it's something extraordinary, it will not be worth much more than it's commision charge at auction.

All things considered, how can you possibly consider covering your mares with anything but a proven stallion with a good track record?.

This also goes some way toward explaining why "Buying bellies" is so popular. All that waiting and hassle taken care of, you just buy the good part.

BTW- If you do manage to breed a good un, colt or filly, it will always be accredited to you, and you will always get a mention when someone describes it's offspring.

[TightEnd]

and, in the "official" bloodstock world a mare is sent to a stallion and the mare's owner pays a covering "fee" dependent on its success on the track, bloodlines etc etc

and the colt can cover 40-50 mares per season etc etc

is this the same for you, and how are the owners of the colts paid for the "cover" (if not in £). Are they ever paid in form of part-ownership of the progeny?

[RED-DOG]

and, in the "official" bloodstock world a mare is sent to a stallion and the mare's owner pays a covering "fee" dependent on its success on the track, bloodlines etc etc

and the colt can cover 40-50 mares per season etc etc

is this the same for you, and how are the owners of the colts paid for the "cover" (if not in £). Are they ever paid in form of part-ownership of the progeny?

Payment almost always in £££.

However, when you have a really good young stallion who hasn't proven that he not only looks good but, throws good stock, you want to use him on the best mares so as to give him his "Best shot" as it were.

The owners of the best mares on the other hand, don't want to risk their mare's reputation by mating them with an unproven stallion.

Sometimes an arrangement is reached whereby the pair are mated on the agreement that if the stallion turns out to be a winner, the mare's owner gets free use of the stallion for life.

[turny]

Typically, how much discount do you get for buying a horse "in the belly" Tom.

Well it would have no set price out of the belly, so in the belly is a real gamble. It's just as common to buy one too dear before it's born as it is to get one cheap.

PS- In the belly sales usually come with a "If it stands up and sucks" Caveat. Sods law dictates that if you have paid a lot and it turns out to be a poor specimen, it will be as healthy as healthy can be, but if it is a stunner and an absolute bargain, it will die before it gets out of the bag. 

Indeed.

lol you are one cheeky mofo mr paradise! 

[tikay]

These horse yarns are absolutely enthralling Tom.

Whatever you do, keep this Diary coming. One day, before you know it, you will have written your book, or books, & they will be worthy additions to the three that your Mum & Dad have already written.

It's a stunning read, & an insight into a life few of us know much about.

"Living on your wits".

[Dingdell]

Next BB lets have a camp fire in the car park and we can all sit round it and toast things while listening to Red. For those crazy enough to want to play poker just make sure the venue has wifi access in the car park. 

[sovietsong]

please write a book.

[jizzemm]

Next BB lets have a camp fire in the car park and we can all sit round it and toast things while listening to Red. For those crazy enough to want to play poker just make sure the venue has wifi access in the car park. 

What she said.. Keep it going Tom

[Compo]

Just add my thanks to Tom for THE forum read.

[boldie]

These horse yarns are absolutely enthralling Tom.

Whatever you do, keep this Diary coming. One day, before you know it, you will have written your book, or books, & they will be worthy additions to the three that your Mum & Dad have already written.

It's a stunning read, & an insight into a life few of us know much about.

"Living on your wits".

If your mum and dad are half the story tellers you are Tom, would you mind posting the titles of them books? I could then boost the sales of them by..well 1