Ugh, very well played sir. Throws up.

[doubleup]

Well all I can say is that I'd love to be the short stack at this table with guys like you determined to give me shitloads of money.

[Royal Flush]

I'm with Mantis (apart from calling allin to control the situation!).

lol such a quality bit of mantis faf, going in the scrapbook

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

lol such a quality bit of mantis faf, going in the scrapbook

You have a mantis scrapbook?

Anyways, if you force your oppo to make a mistake you are in control. If he forces you to make a mistake he is in control.

When the CL pushes in this example his bet asks whether you are going to make a mistake. My opinion is that folding is the mistake that he wants me to make. If I call and he shows e.g. 6-6 then he has made the mistake not me. I've called and yet controlled. Yeah baby.

Anyway James, if you would like some more stuff for your book like photos or whatever then please ask.

[Royal Flush]

When the CL pushes in this example his bet asks whether you are going to make a mistake.

Does it? I think its just him nicking the pot....i play such a less theatrical game to you though!

[fidget]

less theatre but more drama
CONTROL

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Does it? I think its just him nicking the pot....i play such a less theatrical game to you though!

I thought you liked theatrical James? I read somewhere that you are a big fan of the Village People and most would agree they are quite theatrical.

[GlasgowBandit]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Does it? I think its just him nicking the pot....i play such a less theatrical game to you though!

I thought you liked theatrical James? I read somewhere that you are a big fan of the Village People and most would agree they are quite theatrical.

You read wrong, James is one of the Village People!

[Royal Flush]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Does it? I think its just him nicking the pot....i play such a less theatrical game to you though!

I thought you liked theatrical James? I read somewhere that you are a big fan of the Village People and most would agree they are quite theatrical.

I like rugby as well, doesn't mean i want to get knocked to the ground whilst playing poker.

[Dry em]

Raise to 5k -> beat him into the middle -> win the hand -> lose HU to shorty

[boldie]

Posted by: Royal Flush

Does it? I think its just him nicking the pot....i play such a less theatrical game to you though!

I thought you liked theatrical James? I read somewhere that you are a big fan of the Village People and most would agree they are quite theatrical.

I like rugby as well, doesn't mean i want to get knocked to the ground whilst playing poker.

Made me giggle

[LeKnave]

I'm just learning some ICM stuff, and worked it out as a fold.

Calling + Winning = 49.509% EQ
Calling + Losing = 0% EQ
Folding = 35.411% EQ

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    44.831%     44.35%    00.48%         888446904      9690270.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1:    55.169%     54.69%    00.48%        1095568236      9690270.00   { 99 }

So with hero's 99 has 55.169% equity.

Calling equity = (0.55169 * 0.49509) + (0.44831 * 0.0)
                   = 0.2731362021

Folding equity = 0.35411

(0.273 - 0.354) * $3750= -$303.75

Calling loses us $303.75.

If longy or some ICM whizz could have a scan at that it would be great.

I call in this spot probs.  Usual players will jam 22+ and QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

ahh, [  ] wp sir.

[T_Mar]

I'm just learning some ICM stuff, and worked it out as a fold.

Calling + Winning = 49.509% EQ
Calling + Losing = 0% EQ
Folding = 35.411% EQ

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    44.831%     44.35%    00.48%         888446904      9690270.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1:    55.169%     54.69%    00.48%        1095568236      9690270.00   { 99 }

So with hero's 99 has 55.169% equity.

Calling equity = (0.55169 * 0.49509) + (0.44831 * 0.0)
                   = 0.2731362021

Folding equity = 0.35411

(0.273 - 0.354) * $3750= -$303.75

Calling loses us $303.75.

If longy or some ICM whizz could have a scan at that it would be great.

I call in this spot probs.  Usual players will jam 22+ and QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

ahh, [  ] wp sir.

I've just started to work out what I should be calling with in these types of situations also - I'm not what you'd call a natural when it comes to the maths but I been using a method in article written by bond18 from 2+2 which is relatively straight forward to follow....

Money in the pot = 55k (2+1+7+45)
Amount to call = 39k

Equity to break even with given pot odds = 39/(55+39)  = 41%

So you need 41% against his range to break even which using Le Knaves range above, makes this an easy call??

Hmm.. As I said, only just learning this so prob be making a mistake - LeKnave's calcs seem waaaay more advanced than mine ...Appreciate anyone correcting me ... or even explainging the differences between Le Knaves working and mine... ta

[Royal Flush]

I'm just learning some ICM stuff, and worked it out as a fold.

Calling + Winning = 49.509% EQ
Calling + Losing = 0% EQ
Folding = 35.411% EQ

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    44.831%     44.35%    00.48%         888446904      9690270.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1:    55.169%     54.69%    00.48%        1095568236      9690270.00   { 99 }

So with hero's 99 has 55.169% equity.

Calling equity = (0.55169 * 0.49509) + (0.44831 * 0.0)
                   = 0.2731362021

Folding equity = 0.35411

(0.273 - 0.354) * $3750= -$303.75

Calling loses us $303.75.

If longy or some ICM whizz could have a scan at that it would be great.

I call in this spot probs.  Usual players will jam 22+ and QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

ahh, [  ] wp sir.

I've just started to work out what I should be calling with in these types of situations also - I'm not what you'd call a natural when it comes to the maths but I been using a method in article written by bond18 from 2+2 which is relatively straight forward to follow....

Money in the pot = 55k (2+1+7+45)
Amount to call = 39k

Equity to break even with given pot odds = 39/(55+39)  = 41%

So you need 41% against his range to break even which using Le Knaves range above, makes this an easy call??

Hmm.. As I said, only just learning this so prob be making a mistake - LeKnave's calcs seem waaaay more advanced than mine ...Appreciate anyone correcting me ... or even explainging the differences between Le Knaves working and mine... ta

Your right for a cash game but in tournaments chips are not linear, if you win all the chips you don't win all the money, just first place. This means that each chip you win is worth slightly less than the one before it.

As such its a +ive call in terms of chips but if you convert it to $ rather than chips its -ive

[T_Mar]

I'm just learning some ICM stuff, and worked it out as a fold.

Calling + Winning = 49.509% EQ
Calling + Losing = 0% EQ
Folding = 35.411% EQ

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    44.831%     44.35%    00.48%         888446904      9690270.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1:    55.169%     54.69%    00.48%        1095568236      9690270.00   { 99 }

So with hero's 99 has 55.169% equity.

Calling equity = (0.55169 * 0.49509) + (0.44831 * 0.0)
                   = 0.2731362021

Folding equity = 0.35411

(0.273 - 0.354) * $3750= -$303.75

Calling loses us $303.75.

If longy or some ICM whizz could have a scan at that it would be great.

I call in this spot probs.  Usual players will jam 22+ and QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

ahh, [  ] wp sir.

I've just started to work out what I should be calling with in these types of situations also - I'm not what you'd call a natural when it comes to the maths but I been using a method in article written by bond18 from 2+2 which is relatively straight forward to follow....

Money in the pot = 55k (2+1+7+45)
Amount to call = 39k

Equity to break even with given pot odds = 39/(55+39)  = 41%

So you need 41% against his range to break even which using Le Knaves range above, makes this an easy call??

Hmm.. As I said, only just learning this so prob be making a mistake - LeKnave's calcs seem waaaay more advanced than mine ...Appreciate anyone correcting me ... or even explainging the differences between Le Knaves working and mine... ta

Your right for a cash game but in tournaments chips are not linear, if you win all the chips you don't win all the money, just first place. This means that each chip you win is worth slightly less than the one before it.

As such its a +ive call in terms of chips but if you convert it to $ rather than chips its -ive

OK,  so I shouldn't be using this method at all in tourny's?? Or is it just at the end of the tourny, when as you say chips have depreciated in value in terms of $$  ...Ie earlier in the tourrny, when chip accumualtion is what we wanting I could use this for working out my calling range against a short stack push??  Or should I be using LeKnaves method full stop???

thks

[NoflopsHomer]

I think Villain's range is wider than the one LeKnave uses.