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« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2008, 06:22:39 PM »

Now I KNOW you are taking the piss.

No, there is always an answer to any situation that produces the best long term result, it is usually quite easy to find there are times though when you get marginal situations and its becomes harder to know which it is.
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« Reply #106 on: September 22, 2008, 10:33:37 PM »

Just reading the new book by PearlJammer and co - you won't believe what he calls off 10% of his chips with in the BB against 2 players...
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« Reply #107 on: September 22, 2008, 10:48:11 PM »

Just reading the new book by PearlJammer and co - you won't believe what he calls off 10% of his chips with in the BB against 2 players...

I've got that. It's a great book imo.
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« Reply #108 on: September 22, 2008, 11:41:06 PM »

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For Claire to be in a bad run, mis-raising on the cutoff, smooth called by George on the button, me in the big blind, THERE IS NO LONG RUN.  It won't happen more than once more in my lifetime.

DING.

If a hand is negative EV in the long run then it is negative EV in the here and now.

You are putting in 10% of your stack when you will flop no pair and no draw most of the time and be oop with little room to maneuver a better hand off the pot given the amount that will be in there in comparison to your remaining chips.

In order for this to be a profitable play, you would need to get a double up at least one out of every 10 times you make this call. Any time you lose the hand and put more in after the flop that increases the amount you have to win that one time out of 10. Flushy already explained in simple terms why J10 is a bad hand in this spot when you consider her range of hands and the part of that range she is likely to stack off with postflop.

It's not as simple as "if I hit a pair or a strong draw I'm going to get paid". In reality, there will be the times you hit two pair or a strong draw and get it in bad or get redogged or dogged or whatever. I remain incredulous as to how calling 10% of your stack here will ever make you money. Yeah, it will some of the times you call - but you surely are smart enough to know that good analysis focuses on the decisions made along the way to the end product - not the end product itself.

It's a bad call, and it shall remain so irrespective of what specious reasoning you may wish to use (Luton poker / fast tournaments / the raiser having a bad run). But by all means continue to make this call if you please - as it is the type of call that makes live tournaments such a profitable endeavor.
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« Reply #109 on: September 22, 2008, 11:47:07 PM »

Are we levelling Simon Galloway here?

Somebody new to systematically bump the thread every 3 or 4 days to tell him how poor his pre-flop play was.
Good job Mr. Galloway doesn't seem to be the sensitive ego type. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #110 on: September 22, 2008, 11:52:31 PM »

Are we levelling Simon Galloway here?

Somebody new to systematically bump the thread every 3 or 4 days to tell him how poor his pre-flop play was.
Good job Mr. Galloway doesn't seem to be the sensitive ego type. Roll Eyes

levelling? I log in here seldomly and just responded to his direct reply to my post in this thread. Which I only saw and read a few minutes ago. I don't know who Simon Galloway is and it doesn't really matter. I am only concerned with the content of his posts - which demonstrate a flaw in reasoning common amongst live tournament players. If you don't like my posts ignore them or ban me. Shrug.
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« Reply #111 on: September 22, 2008, 11:55:48 PM »

I have no problem with your post. Please don't kill me.
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« Reply #112 on: September 23, 2008, 08:23:19 AM »

Well it would be boring if we saw things the same way.  Sometimes your cards just don't matter.   Sometimes they matter a bit.  I think my Blackjack analogy still holds true.  You are borrowing long run EV and mixing it up with a play in which the value of my hand isn't as critical as you want it to be.  But speak to Flushy, a Multi-Drinking Discussion (hey we've found a new MDD) at BB7 and I at least managed some acknowledgement of ok poker from him.  Now there's a blank canvass for the man...

 I have also had so much agreement from internationally recognised players aware of this thread that I'm comfortable.  Even some Blondes who have posted on this and played in Luton during/after BB7 now have a new perspective.

I think I've suffered more irritation with this thread than sensitive ego denting, those that know me will know that I hand it out and take it in equal spirit.
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« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2008, 08:37:54 AM »

I have no problem with your post. Please don't kill me.

best bit of thread ha.
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« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2008, 09:52:23 AM »

Just reading the new book by PearlJammer and co - you won't believe what he calls off 10% of his chips with in the BB against 2 players...

What book is this?  Link?
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« Reply #115 on: September 23, 2008, 11:01:07 AM »

Google

Go on, click on it, it's not as facetious as you think Smiley
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« Reply #116 on: September 23, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »

is it still free postage to the UK (over $25) if its not on amazon.co.uk only .com?
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« Reply #117 on: September 23, 2008, 11:40:32 AM »

is it still free postage to the UK (over $25) if its not on amazon.co.uk only .com?

No, but just get it from amazon.co.uk instead.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Poker-Tournaments-Hand-Time/dp/0974150274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222166418&sr=8-1
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« Reply #118 on: September 23, 2008, 11:42:42 AM »

a few quid cheaper at the book depository though..

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/WEBSITE/WWW/WEBPAGES/showbook.php?id=0974150274

They do free delivery
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« Reply #119 on: September 23, 2008, 11:55:43 AM »

 
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