"Dusk till Dawn" Poker Club In Nottingham Diary (by Rob Yong)

[AndrewT]

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

This is a brilliant point.

By enabling people to play poker in an environment without the lure or, indeed direct encouragement to gamble on house games, Rob is actually providing a public service. The Government should be giving him a grant from the Responsibility in Gaming Trust for helping people to play poker without the wheels of death nearby, not bending regulation in favour of the casino chains.

I thought the gambling commission granted DTD a license though? Or do they have some control over the local magistrates?

They don't have control, but the law as it stands has allowed the casino chains to effectively try and veto Rob's application (attempting to delay it until he goes bust). The legal framework put in place by the Government has enabled this situation to develop.

[dik9]

The Gaming Commission issued a "Certificate of Consent" not a license, at the license hearing objections are tabled, the GC and local Authority then takes the objections into consideration before the issue of a License.

[pondy]

"We also have to remember that without the goodwill of the Casino Groups, Tournament Poker as we know it in the UK, would not exist. "

reluctantly have to post because i puked up all over my laptop keyboard whilst reading this.
perleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

spose we should thank them for relieving people of their hard earned cash every week playing games they cant win because they are addicted or dont know any better. Casino's do NOTHING with goodwill n o t h i n g . They do things to increased there bottom line end of story.

[robyong]

I have had a meeting with all of the DTD employees today. I have also been liasing with my legal council and the UK Gambling Commission since the decison to adjorn our hearing until September 24th 2007 (effectively delaying an opening date to January/February 2008, 9 months away).

There will be a public announcement by Friday this week, made first on this forum thread. However, I need to have it checked out thoroughly before I make it public. What I will say now is that I am not willing to let the Casino's beat this project and I would like to add that the process is now unfortunatley out of the control of the UK Gambling Commission who have already given us their support by issuing the Certificate of Consent

Cheers Rob

[AdamM]

What I will say now is that I am not willing to let the Casino's beat this project

 

[booder]

. What I will say now is that I am not willing to let the Casino's beat this project  

Cheers Rob

 

[littlemissC]

well said

[kinboshi]

Glad to hear that you've still got the fight in you.

[M3boy]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

I was quite suprised to get this same response so quick, to me this says that they are certainly going to look into this matter sooner rather than later.

[Wardonkey]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

I was quite suprised to get this same response so quick, to me this says that they are certainly going to look into this matter sooner rather than later.

Or they have a well written auto-reply system...

[GlasgowBandit]

Keep the Faith!

Best of luck DtD.

[jezza777]

For a minute there I thought you were going to fold. I should have known better! All the very best Rob.

[fergus8]

BELIEVE!

remember helicopter sunday

[booder]

BELIEVE!

remember helicopter sunday

was that like motorcycle tuesday ?

[K9sixtwo]

Trying to do my bit !!!

Below is a copy of the letter I sent to The Times last Friday...Hasn't been printed....Yet!! Oh yes for any who may wonder what a theocracy is ...its a person or organisation that acts as if they are God!!
 

Sir.
On Wednesday the 26th of April Mr Rob Yong appeared at Nottingham Magistrates Court to apply for his Licence to operate , effectively, this countries first legal Poker Card Room. Mr Yong is an individual with whom I have no conection. Mr Yong to his credit has had to initially secure the premises ,he hopes to operate from, before he could apply for a Consent Certificate from the Gambling Commision. Apply for change of use for the premises and then construct and fit out the premises before finally applying to the Magistrates Court for a licence.
Mr Yong should be commended for doing things the correct way and treading a thoroughly legal path to steer clear of any indication that his actions could be construed as illegal. However at Nottingham Magistrates Court three objectors turned up in the form of Gala Casinos,Stanley Casinos and LCI (London Clubs International)The case was adjourned until September due to there objections.
It fills me with disgust that a man who attempts to break into the Gaming industry, by opening a Poker Card Room, with his own financing finds the might of industrial gaming turned on him with stalling tactics to clearly try and bankrupt him and acting in the manner of a theocracy.
I believe Mr Yong gave an undertaking that he had no intrest to operate any Table games of the like seen in usual Casinos clearly steering away from confrontation with the large Casinos, the large Casinos on the other hand appear to be up for a fight, horrified, no doubt at the thought that an individual can operate what the Poker playing public want and deprive them of a miniscule amount of their income.
If ,in an era of competition and the widening of our gaming laws, we see a card club being subjected to the full weight of the Casino groups lawyers, one dreads to think about what will occur when the licences for the new large and super Casinos are handed out. Self intrest will prevail over competition.....Game of Chance ? I think not
                                             Neil W*****