"Dusk till Dawn" Poker Club In Nottingham Diary (by Rob Yong)

[AdamM]

do you two think about anything else 

[Ironside]

you should try it sometime adam you will probarbly enjoy it

[charmaine]

Its our wedding anniversary tommorow , so we have lots of happy memories to remember ............. thats my excuse and i'm sticking to it  

[AdamM]

might do that Ironside

happy anniversary M3 & Charmaine

[SKA Dealer]

Wow, I head to the other side of the Atlantic for a year and so much has happened!

I'd like to applaud Rob for his determination and enthusiasm for this project. It WILL be a success, of that I am sure.

The "Big 3" it seems have acted collusively "within the letter of the law", verging on "underhand" in my opinion. This is a last ditch attempt at trying to brush DTD under the carpet, which it obviously won't be, with such a crack team onboard and the unbelievable support that has been generated by the poker community.

My letters of support have already been sent to the OFT and the Competition Commission. Every little helps!!

**SKA**

[charmaine]

Thank you Adam 

[totalise]

Rob,


congrats on your winner today.. tidy price and did it quite well (apart from the last fence mess!)

[fearisthekey]

And after reading the Annual Reports for the casinos involved it should be emphasised that blonde cannot muster enough support to make a boycott of these casinos count.

I know i have said this before, but, this is not just a Blonde issue. Every Poker player in the country and even outside of the country have an interest in DtD, in this country alone there are minimum 15 poker forums with roughly 90,000 members between them, take away inactive spammers and non uk citizens will probably leave off the top of my head 20,000 active Poker Players, all disgraced over the way someone has tried to do this legally, invested heavily and then got shafted, even after the Gutshot tried the other route and got shafted. The new charges and direction of cardrooms in September are a pisstake, and the "little man" has no other option, if they enjoy playing live. There are approximately 80 legal cardrooms in the UK servicing the 20,000+ poker players that use forums alone, and probably triple that for the non forum players. About 50% of these comps are self deal, yet all now charge for the privilage of playing in their venue.

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

As for protests, I personally would take another route, not to rip up membership cards, as that would just be individual actions. Have a sit in, in your local cardroom at about 5.30am  

Good post!!!!!! Can't wait til the cities that get all the new big casinos (if), and they all turn into new 'Atlantic Cities' of beggars and addicts, will be a big 'told ya so' from the poker players.

[wsopin07]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

I was quite suprised to get this same response so quick, to me this says that they are certainly going to look into this matter sooner rather than later.

I sent my email to them today, i will post the response when I get it

[Dingdell]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

I have pm'd you Rob regarding London Clubs.
Tracey

[littlemissC]

any news?

[boldie]

any news?

I was wondering the same..just started a new job (godawfull one at thatbut they haven't yet told me I can't go on blonde and the mrs wanted at least some attention over the weekend...(bloody women... so thought I might have missed some thread about this...trailed the entire forum   but was hoping to hear something about this..(though I understand the situation might be a tad tricky.)

[Acidmouse]

any news?

I was wondering the same..just started a new job (godawfull one at thatbut they haven't yet told me I can't go on blonde and the mrs wanted at least some attention over the weekend...(bloody women... so thought I might have missed some thread about this...trailed the entire forum   but was hoping to hear something about this..(though I understand the situation might be a tad tricky.)

lol gl with job

[robyong]

We have taken legal advice and consulted the UK Gambling Commission for a solution to the six month court adjournment. We totally understand and respect the reasons for the three casino groups lodging their objections at the hearing; they have a duty to protect their businesses from another casino opening in Nottingham.  Dusk Till Dawn will be a genuine “poker only” venue but we do need a full casino licence to operate poker legally, even more so under the September 2007 Gambling Act. However, we cannot expect the objectors to believe that we would never take advantage of this licence and operate casino games in the future, despite our assurances to the contrary.

In simple terms, we have 4 options

1.   Open the Club and take the risks associated with charging for poker

2.   Open the Club and operate as a Private Members Club and not charge for poker

3.   Open the Club as a bar, restaurant and internet café with no poker activity

4.   Do nothing until after the 24th September hearing

The option we choose must take into account that

1.   Operating outside of the law (or even close to it) could result in the UK Gambling Commission withdrawing our Certificate of Consent

2.   From 1st September poker stakes in a Private Members Clubs will be limited to about £2,000 per week, equivalent to one 100 runner £20 tournament

3.   The UK Gambling Commission will have “powers of enforcement” under the new September 2007 Act, they do not need police cooperation to close a club

4.   Operating any form of poker or even opening our doors before the 24th September could act against us at the magistrates hearing

5.   There are significant additional costs associated with any delay

In light of the above, we have made the following regretful decision

1.   Dusk Till Dawn will open on Friday 5th October 2007

2.   The club will be open for 7 days per week, hours to be confirmed

3.   The club will be totally compliant with all of the policies and procedures laid down by the UK Gambling Commission

4.   Entrance to the club will be restricted to individuals that have joined the club via the join club page on www.dusktilldawnpoker.com

5.   The current running costs of Dusk Till Dawn must be reviewed in line with this very disappointing news

6.   London Clubs International, Gala and Stanley’s will be contacted and invited to visit the premises to demonstrate that Dusk Till Dawn is a poker only venue, posing no threat to their casino business

We would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has been backing the Dusk Till Dawn project over the last 2 years including employees, suppliers and poker players. We apologise for our lack of success in delivering our scheduled opening dates.

Robert Yong, Managing Director, Dusk Till Dawn

[littlemissC]

 

thanks for letting us know rob.im sure i speak for everyone when i say we support you 100%

FRAN