Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading

[The Camel]

keith - i dont know you personally but i know SD very well who in turn knows you very well.  Cases of betting shop theft of amounts 10 times smaller than this make the press.  If the police have been called i just dont see how it is at all possible that this doesnt go to court and make the mainstream press.  Its all over the internet in a couple of days.  

Sighmuns - No one stated as many different doubts/flaws in his story in such detail as i did.  Its probably the reason why new posters who have no involvement with blonde and the old blatch 'clique' are agreeing with me.  Not sure how being annoying and crude is a problem when i was correct in highlighting a guy who has grimmed a lot of naive people out of a 6 figure sum.

Yeah, that's because bookmakers make sure they make the press.

Bookies are huge advertisers and if cases of the theft weren't reported they would be pretty cross.

They want to make sure potential armed robbers/thieves are punished and well reported to discourage people following suit.

This MIGHT make Blatch's local rag if/when he gets sentenced.

I would be really surprised if the nationals ran with it. Too complicated for Joe Average to understand what happened.

[h]

Hello everyone this is my first ever post.
I have spent the weekend thinking about this and what is apparent is that neil has done wrong. However the people I feel sorry for are the investors and more so his freinds rupinda and greek. While I don,t know either personally, I have played poker many times with Rupinder in partically.
In Neils apology/explanation he does state that no one knew what he was upto including his closest freinds this imo opinion is 100% truth. Neil is obviously suffering right now and maybe rightly so, but at this time I can only guess what Rupinder and greek are going through. We need to remember that Rupinda and Greek still have the rest of there poker careers to go through and for them there heads must be totally battered.
I am sure they are thinking "will players find me guilty by association etc and they must be worried about peoples reaction
Blonde do portray a family image just like awop and maybe this may be the time for the family bond to come together. I can,t wait to see rupinder and greek back on the poker tables  and hope the majority of the regulars feel the same.
Maybe members on here who know rupinda and greek through this forum or personally can go out of there way and just contact both to give a few words of support.
It would be a sad state of affairs if Neils dishonesty effects two innocent people's poker careers through no fault of there own.

Rupinda- go to vegas m8 and do what you do best,  see u back at dtd. Paul Gardener.


Pa

welcome to blonde excellent first post imo

[tropicana]

yeah just like bernie madoff didn't get reported

[Nico29]

keith - i dont know you personally but i know SD very well who in turn knows you very well.  Cases of betting shop theft of amounts 10 times smaller than this make the press.  If the police have been called i just dont see how it is at all possible that this doesnt go to court and make the mainstream press.  Its all over the internet in a couple of days.  

Sighmuns - No one stated as many different doubts/flaws in his story in such detail as i did.  Its probably the reason why new posters who have no involvement with blonde and the old blatch 'clique' are agreeing with me.  Not sure how being annoying and crude is a problem when i was correct in highlighting a guy who has grimmed a lot of naive people out of a 6 figure sum.

Seriously mate GIQ!

Yeah u obv smelt a rat of some sorts and for that as i've said before you should be thanked imo.

Like yourself ppl like dubai also wondered why blatch hadn't done the south korea game.

However you alone started trolling, repetitively going on and on over the same ol points in a really aggressive rude manner.

I guess if we are being results based yeah the boy done good-as in you.

Having said that after playing poker with numerously online, i know how ridiculously abusive you can be verbally over literally nothing.

You are clearly clued up on football trading, but in terms of people skills i think you lack.

Looks like you have made some new buddies on here though, so enjoy!

[Jon MW]

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The thread is becoming a bit of a farce imo, some people are making valid points but a lot are just posting random annoying comments.

yeah just like bernie madoff didn't get reported

[Graham C]

Do we know the extent of the debt yet?  It started off at 80k, went down to 70k, then 100k and the FB Groups says 120k.   I'm not sure it's worth it, but perhaps the investors could get together (somewhere not in this thread lol) to work out the actual figures?

The thread is becoming a bit of a farce imo, some people are making valid points but a lot are just posting random annoying comments.

I'm doing some cliffs now which will take a while, but I might have create a separate set of notes for the bets, because money is leaking all over the shop. This post (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=43354.msg1036167#msg1036167) said about £124 was made on the England/Slovenia game. The spreadsheet said around the profit from the game was around £580.

But are we considering the amount lost what we work it out to have been at a certain date or the intial amounts of deposits?  Chances are obviously that we're not getting a penny back, but I think we should know who's actually invested and how much.

[Boba Fett]

Do we know the extent of the debt yet?  It started off at 80k, went down to 70k, then 100k and the FB Groups says 120k.   I'm not sure it's worth it, but perhaps the investors could get together (somewhere not in this thread lol) to work out the actual figures?

The thread is becoming a bit of a farce imo, some people are making valid points but a lot are just posting random annoying comments.

Agree, the amount of "experts" coming in with less than 10 posts telling everyone how obvious it was and how stupid everyone was to invest but not really offering anything positive to the situation are tilting me pretty hard

[arbboy]

nico 29 - read this from james williams (cotton bud) who i advised not to invest in this alongside several other online pros at the same time nearly a year ago.  James is a very respected poster on here and came 2nd in the main event at gukpt bpool last year.  

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Wow I'm absolutely appalled by what has happened here and I feel so sorry for those who have invested some whom are my friends from Poker. This is so ridiculous I cannot believe this has actually happened. Me and my friend were going to invest in Blatch a while back but after getting Arrboys advice we decided against it, when I saw Blatch was posting no screen shots of winnings etc it just seemed to me so much trust related when I didn't even know the guy.

Having been at the DTD party that Arrboy mentioned I spoke to Blatch a little then he seemed like a nice enough guy. But now I have seen all this I am absolutely gob smacked and I'd like to thank my friend Arrboy for getting me not to invest and after hearing he was banned from the forum I think thats totally shocking he is one of the top dogs when it comes to sports betting and knows his stuff inside out. It's such a shame its had to come to this for people to find out the truth. I hope Blatch does the decent thing and tries to earn your money back for u guys gl to all.  
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if being 'bbeing abusive  and aggressive is what it took to 'out' this crim why would anyone clearly care.  Some peoples attitudes on here really are insane.  Makes me wonder why i bothered.

[TheoneTwo]

Has anyone noticed just how many new members have been posting singing Arbboy's praises?

It's freaking me out a bit, like someone's trying to get inside my head through repetition, reminicient of early on in the thread when Arbboy himself sounded like a broken record.


He wasn't banned because he dared to say something about one of the community, he was banned because of the incredibly annoying and crude way that he did it.

As I understand it there were those with suspicions long before AB showed up.

please stop, greekstien has just now refered to how he was already suspicious and how arrboy was behaving like a "massive douche", and now you've said he was a "broken record" and "annoying", i seriously sggest you guys just drop the whole arrboy thing, this thread for 2 days solid has had 150-200 guests reading at any given time, every poker and gambling forum now has a link to it and the main thing that everyone  is saying mostly is not that its crazy how it all went down but how much of a joke it was that one of the top traders in the whole of the UK was shouted down and ganged up on because he wasnt completely following forum rules or whatever, the idea that a bit of repetition or whatever he was doing was a more serious thing than trying to highlight what he thought had happend, to let people know and to stop any future people investing is frankly embarressing, i think when you post things like what youve just posted you have to respect how many new people are now reading this and no one can believe how arrboy was treated, it's not my opinion but it makes the forum look a bit silly and you're embarressing yourself further by suggesting that you didnt have the brains to listen to what this guy who is so well respected was saying because he was a rough or unrefiened in saying it, please stop you're making the people that stuck up for blatch and had a go at arrboy a laughing stock.

I dont really care who had what suspicions, the fact of the matter is, is that blatch was 100% planning on posting things like:

brazil - £4200
draw - £4200
holland -£4200

throughout the whole of the world cup anyone who knows anything can see this is what his plan was, it was ONLY for arrbot being so confrontational in his face etc which so overtly highlighted this that dissallowed blatch from doing so, even after arrboy was banned blatch knew he couldnt keep posting losers without screen shots, its no coincidence that 2 days later he confessess everything to investors, 100% if arrboy never turned up blatch would still be lending off people(like flushy said he had already txt him to ask for money in vegas lol) and more importantly he would still be posting losers untill it was enough to say he's done most of the roll.

Everyone who keeps refering to the arrboy early days and it being acceptable to not have listend to him because he was "trolling" or whatever is seriously making themself, the people who defended blatch and this forum look very silly to everyone else that is reading this.

[arbboy]

keith - i was referring to staff having their hands in the till rather than armed robbery's at betting shops.  That is a lot more close to what had happened here (although still diff) than an armed robbery. Sorry for the confusion.

[The Camel]

Do we know the extent of the debt yet?  It started off at 80k, went down to 70k, then 100k and the FB Groups says 120k.   I'm not sure it's worth it, but perhaps the investors could get together (somewhere not in this thread lol) to work out the actual figures?

The thread is becoming a bit of a farce imo, some people are making valid points but a lot are just posting random annoying comments.

Agree, the amount of "experts" coming in with less than 10 posts telling everyone how obvious it was and how stupid everyone was to invest but not really offering anything positive to the situation are tilting me pretty hard

I must admit the main reason I didn't invest was the same as Trigg. I thought Blatch was the sort of punter I really don't like, a bit of a big headed twat.

It never crossed my mind he was on the fiddle.

But someone said to me around Christmas time, for a trader his accounting is very fuzzy.

And the fact he was picking near 100% winners was really surprising, I know some of the best betfair traders and none has a strike rate anywhere near the one Blatch was claiming.

All put together, I felt safest not investing, but still would never envisaged this outcome.

[NoflopsHomer]

Do we know the extent of the debt yet?  It started off at 80k, went down to 70k, then 100k and the FB Groups says 120k.   I'm not sure it's worth it, but perhaps the investors could get together (somewhere not in this thread lol) to work out the actual figures?

The thread is becoming a bit of a farce imo, some people are making valid points but a lot are just posting random annoying comments.

I'm doing some cliffs now which will take a while, but I might have create a separate set of notes for the bets, because money is leaking all over the shop. This post (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=43354.msg1036167#msg1036167) said about £124 was made on the England/Slovenia game. The spreadsheet said around the profit from the game was around £580.

But are we considering the amount lost what we work it out to have been at a certain date or the intial amounts of deposits?  Chances are obviously that we're not getting a penny back, but I think we should know who's actually invested and how much.

I believe all investors should contact one another in private and one person should volunteer to collect all info. The Blatch WSOP staking thread should also do this.

[byronkincaid]

one of the top traders in the whole of the UK

orly?

[George2Loose]

was he even an accountant or was that bullshit too? george met him what 2.5 years ago playing poker in a casino? does anyone know him from before this? any schoolfriends, work colleagues, ex girlfriends, anything?

it's all over the internet saying he was an accountant when he won some donkament, when did he say he left work to become a trader?

Guys I said I wouldn't comment on this thread again but I want to help where I can. Yesterday was very tough for me but I've spent the majority of the weekend with my family and it's really helped put things into perspective.

I first met Neil at the local gala casino in leicester. he was one of the better players there (which wasn't difficult admittedly). Soon after Kev invited me to play at Paul's homegame (made infamous after I won the notts leg of the tour and then neil won the bristol leg). We played together week in week out. Neil was working at the time- I have no idea exactly what but I know it was in finance. This continued until around Xmas time last year when he quit his job to go into trading.

He made no bones about the fact he had gone busto trying this before but seemed to know what he was doing. I know sweet fa about sports trading but he would always let us know when he got the lot- he was also quick to say when he lost chunks. I remember him telling me in 2009 (before this staking thread) about how he lost 8k on one frame of snooker. He was quite calm about it- this lead me to believe that his bankroll was swelling- I mean if he could afford to lose that much on one frame of snooker he must have been doing ok?

He then started taking on horses of which I believe Greeky and evilpie were the first. I warned him about the potential outlay (not least because I've seen both play) but he didn't seem worried. He said he would probably take on more during this time. I didn't have any reason to believe he was a scam artist. I know he came accross as a cocky twat but that wasn't the relationship I had with him- we were great mates and dreamed of really making it on the poker circuit.

Right up until the end I trusted him. I booked a holiday to vegas, direct flights and accommodation and paid for it all in the belief I'd get the dollars back in Vegas. On my part I have written the debt off- there will be no mates getting paid back first.

 I rang him two days before this all came out. I asked him if he'd spent the money- if it was gone. He said it was all still there- arbboy just had a vendetta against him hence my posts defending him just before this all came to light.

There are lessons to be learnt from all of this. I have spoken to him this morning and will continue to stay in touch with him and try and help him. You might think I'm stupid/naive/dumb/a conner myself but I can't hang a friend out to dry after 5 years. Please try and think what would you do if you best friend did this?

I would personally like to thank the messages of support I've received. I'll be honest- I'm not sure whether I'll play the tour in the near future or go Vegas- I have no idea what sort of reception I'm going to get and this whole episode has turned me off poker as it probably has many others. This year was supposed to be my year. Our year. It was my first time to Vegas going with my two best buddies in the world- Kev and Neil.

[Jon MW]

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Everyone who keeps refering to the arrboy early days and it being acceptable to not have listend to him because he was "trolling" or whatever is seriously making themself, the people who defended blatch and this forum look very silly to everyone else that is reading this.

It's annoying because people keep referring to the arbboy early days at all - it's really no longer relevant

He had a good point
He was a bit of an arse
He got banned for being a bit of an arse
His point was proven
He got unbanned because he might be able to help

arbboy is only relevant now in that he might be able to help people - nobody's criticising him now, it's just pointless and irritating having people pop up from nowhere to keep praising him.