Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading

[NoflopsHomer]

Does anyone have a guess when he started to go bent?

Were the pre Christmas trades kosher?

Because according to the results in the thread he never lost money in early trades.

Posted this what seems like an age ago now:

Even on 22nd August he was not being fully truthful as he put almost £3.6k on Arsenal against Portsmouth @ 1.2 but then had to lay it off at the same price.

And then on August 27th Blatch loses £427.62 in the Barcelona vs Shakhtar game where he backs Barca @ 1.44 and is forced to then lay off @ 1.47.

September 14th sees Blatch backing Chelsea vs Porto @ 1.43 and 1.41 but then doesn't lay off any of the betting until after the game starts @ 1.17. Betting on a match was something he swore he never does. He manages to make about £2k in profit.

The first time he actually make a bet where he DOESN'T lay off is on the 29th September, dropping almost £2.4k when backing Newcastle against QPR after the Toon fail to win. (Typical Newcastle...)

I have read parts of this thread (I couldn't read it all as it is just too much to take in) and, like everyone, I am horrified by what has happened.

Being a compulsive gambler is an illness and certainly Neil is ill.  However, whilst having sympathy for him because of that does not mean that he should not accept the consequences for his actions.  I'm not sure whether there is any legal action that can be taken as, from what I understand, all the investors had an informal agreement and there is no law covering this.  I sincerely hope that no-one takes any physical retribution as this will get you nowhere.

This may seem naive, but a possible way of retrieving some of the money is for the investors to stake Neil in one of the GUKPT main event games and, if he cashes, take back the winnings.  At the end of the day he is still a good poker player and if you one of you was there to take the winning cash from him at the cash desk, you would get some money back and he couldn't go and gamble it on something else.  As I say, perhaps it is naive, but it is a possible way to get some money back.

Possibly the most ridiculous suggestion on the thread so far. Let's put out that nasty fire by pouring gasoline on it.

[Prod.]

not involved financially, but some of my friends are and this is obv shocking!! hope he gets what is coming to him (after everyone is paid back)!

also i read a few pages back about putting him in the well... LOL... this would be good,, make it happen yo!!

don't mean to de-rail the thread but literally lol'd hard if this is Railtard1 the scammer.

If not I apologise.

[damo66688]

Cant see why noone hasdefinately gone to the police with this.  If he has syphoned off the money as it appears then the CPS has powers to get back the money from the Proceeds of crime act where they will go through all his accounts, property etc etc and reclaim what they can.   They can even reclaim the money back if he has passed it onto a family member (which he might have being in a IVA).  There is the possibility he has been a degen and frittered it all away but am sure he is not as destitute as he makes out.  He must have some sort of belongings and money stashed.  Even if it can be proved he passed money to other friends and family the courts will make them liale and slap an order on them.  

Would suggest someone in London reporting this to the City of London Police they have a definitive department for this sort of stuff.

[damo66688]

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Quote from: GreekStein on September 29, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on September 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

[Jon MW]

Cant see why noone hasdefinately gone to the police with this.  If he has syphoned off the money as it appears then the CPS has powers to get back the money from the Proceeds of crime act where they will go through all his accounts, property etc etc and reclaim what they can.   They can even reclaim the money back if he has passed it onto a family member (which he might have being in a IVA).  There is the possibility he has been a degen and frittered it all away but am sure he is not as destitute as he makes out.  He must have some sort of belongings and money stashed.  Even if it can be proved he passed money to other friends and family the courts will make them liale and slap an order on them.  

Would suggest someone in London reporting this to the City of London Police they have a definitive department for this sort of stuff.

I think talk of the FSA and the City of London police might be misguided as I think they'd only cover areas which they regulate - the fraud took place under the guise of a staking thread so I don't think they'd have any authority in it even if they were interested.

I think there's enough to suggest that the police should be looking at whether there has been a criminal offence, but given the nature of this fraud it's not exactly clear cut, and the most important consideration would be to get a police representative who understood that this doesn't just involve people gambling and losing.

[Murph1984]

Does anyone have a guess when he started to go bent?

Were the pre Christmas trades kosher?

Because according to the results in the thread he never lost money in early trades.

It was the day he put up the original thread.

Things may have escalated with time but he 100% put up the original thread because he was busto with the intention of at least using the funds personally and creaming a bit off for himself.

The string of 26 wins in a row make it seem like it was intended as a "long con" from the beginning though,to get more and bigger investors involved.

[tropicana]

I have read parts of this thread (I couldn't read it all as it is just too much to take in) and, like everyone, I am horrified by what has happened.

Being a compulsive gambler is an illness and certainly Neil is ill.  However, whilst having sympathy for him because of that does not mean that he should not accept the consequences for his actions.  I'm not sure whether there is any legal action that can be taken as, from what I understand, all the investors had an informal agreement and there is no law covering this.  I sincerely hope that no-one takes any physical retribution as this will get you nowhere.

This may seem naive, but a possible way of retrieving some of the money is for the investors to stake Neil in one of the GUKPT main event games and, if he cashes, take back the winnings.  At the end of the day he is still a good poker player and if you one of you was there to take the winning cash from him at the cash desk, you would get some money back and he couldn't go and gamble it on something else.  As I say, perhaps it is naive, but it is a possible way to get some money back.

hi blatch

[Ginger]

As it keeps being mentioned I will state again, the police HAVE been informed.

Not yet walked in, sat down and written a statement (I believe) but informed nonetheless.

[ACE2M]

out of interest do the mods have analytics on this thread so we can tell where all the guests are linking from? would be interested to see how far and wide it's spread.

[Murph1984]

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Quote from: GreekStein on September 29, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on September 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

God I really hope these guys are as white as people think,Blatch himself made several jokes of this nature.

Probably being paranoid and both seem like good guys but it was only a few days ago everyone was saying the same thing about Blatch.

[kinboshi]

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Quote from: GreekStein on September 29, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on September 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

God I really hope these guys are as white as people think,Blatch himself made several jokes of this nature.

Probably being paranoid and both seem like good guys but it was only a few days ago everyone was saying the same thing about Blatch.

These two lost more than most through Blatch.  Cos lost the same as me, and his Dad lost more.  Cos was suspect about things quite a few months ago, but unfortunately not enough of us did anything about it.

As for George, he must be devastated.  He wasn't involved in the football staking, but has lost a fair bit of money that he'd spent - and more than that, his closest friend in poker has been lying to him, for several years it now appears. 

[Jon MW]

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Quote from: GreekStein on September 29, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on September 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

God I really hope these guys are as white as people think,Blatch himself made several jokes of this nature.

Probably being paranoid and both seem like good guys but it was only a few days ago everyone was saying the same thing about Blatch.

Don't do that

It's easy to over react, but really most people are exactly as they seem

[kinboshi]

out of interest do the mods have analytics on this thread so we can tell where all the guests are linking from? would be interested to see how far and wide it's spread.

We will be able to.

With 100+ guests on at any one time, I think it's safe to say that it's reached all corners of the online poker world and beyond.

[DaveShoelace]

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Quote from: GreekStein on September 29, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on September 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

God I really hope these guys are as white as people think,Blatch himself made several jokes of this nature.

Probably being paranoid and both seem like good guys but it was only a few days ago everyone was saying the same thing about Blatch.

Maybe you were involved and are deflecting the attention onto someone else?

Obv I dont think that, but wild accusations like that are not helpful

[a.sparrow]

I'm not sure if anyone picked this up, and i can't be bothered to sift through all the pages again but i got this from another forum i read, and it was posted by neil in the staking thread not this one:

Hey all,

Am currently in a Denny's on free wi fi in Florida. Place is amazing and loving but sadly cant get on betfair as the VPN isnt working here so sadly trading is taking break for 2 weeks.

On the plus I would like to thank you on behalf of my entire family. We couldnt have guessed just how far £75k would have stretched over here. All the upgrades from car rental, hotel and front of the queue passes are awesome. Thanks all.