Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading

[the sicilian]

Did blatch post yday? If so where is it

[TheChipPrince]

Did blatch post yday? If so where is it

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48399.1140

[kinboshi]

Did blatch post yday? If so where is it

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48399.1140

It's full of more lies.

[The Camel]

I think by far the best course of action Neil can take now is to hand himself in to the police and admit everything.

It will save time and an awful lot of pain on all sides. And he might actually be able to start rebuilding his life in time.

Will he do it?

Doubtful.

[chrisbruce]

Chris that is one amazing job you have done for all of the stakers involved in this scheme.


Forensic accountant extraordinaire

[thetank]

floppy >>>arbboy

[Moskvich]

Apologies if the following questions are stupid or irritating - I have read the whole thing, and my commiserations to all those involved, but I might well have missed something.

Is it still not possible after all Floppy's work to calculate how much money was lost on the Betfair account and how much was outright stolen? Am I right in thinking that nobody has added up exactly how much money was sent to him, and no-one can find out even with access to the account how much was deposited and withdrawn (on top of the figures that were dumped)?

[lurker22222]

Apologies if the following questions are stupid or irritating - I have read the whole thing, and my commiserations to all those involved, but I might well have missed something.

Is it still not possible after all Floppy's work to calculate how much money was lost on the Betfair account and how much was outright stolen? Am I right in thinking that nobody has added up exactly how much money was sent to him, and no-one can find out even with access to the account how much was deposited and withdrawn (on top of the figures that were dumped)?

P&L is -43,584.20

Though some of this was dumped from one account to another.

[treefella]

Good point . He had money sent to his poker accounts i believe so surely these need looking into if possible.Especially so as he could of moved significant sums of money around. And whose to say he didnt have family members help or any help from unknown associates to move money around between poker or betfair or bookmaking accounts ? Also has anyone just handed over hard cash to him that hasnt been added to the figures ?

[sovietsong]

For the most part I believe noflops analysis is accurate however I have spotted two errors. My name is sovietsong not sovientsong ..

Other than this excellent stuff!!

[NoflopsHomer]

For the most part I believe noflops analysis is accurate however I have spotted two errors. My name is sovietsong not sovientsong ..

Other than this excellent stuff!!

[damo66688]

I hope flops work is not undone by a totally different transaction history from Betfair, should be easy to compare though to see if there has been any amendments to the sheet by Neil

[NoflopsHomer]

Apologies if the following questions are stupid or irritating - I have read the whole thing, and my commiserations to all those involved, but I might well have missed something.

Is it still not possible after all Floppy's work to calculate how much money was lost on the Betfair account and how much was outright stolen? Am I right in thinking that nobody has added up exactly how much money was sent to him, and no-one can find out even with access to the account how much was deposited and withdrawn (on top of the figures that were dumped)?

P&L is -43,584.20

Though some of this was dumped from one account to another.

I believe 35) 51) and 62) show that the minimum dumped across to another account is £20,684 (10,000+7,984+2,700).

[Longy]

Has there been a full list of investors compiled how they sent the money, how much, when to Blatch? Pretty important for a criminal investigation to take place.

[Moskvich]

Apologies if the following questions are stupid or irritating - I have read the whole thing, and my commiserations to all those involved, but I might well have missed something.

Is it still not possible after all Floppy's work to calculate how much money was lost on the Betfair account and how much was outright stolen? Am I right in thinking that nobody has added up exactly how much money was sent to him, and no-one can find out even with access to the account how much was deposited and withdrawn (on top of the figures that were dumped)?

P&L is -43,584.20

Though some of this was dumped from one account to another.

OK. About £20.7k was dumped according to NoFlops' numbers, so he actually lost about £23k?

Again, apologies if I'm actually going over well-trodden ground here. It's not really any of my business. But from here it feels like everyone's concentrating disproportionately on the Betfair account and the betting side of things, and the lies he told. It sounds like everyone's giving up on the money, assuming it's all lost etc (it may be). And then all the talk of how it will be too complicated for the police to understand blah blah.

But it's not actually complicated in the slightest, is it? He lost £23k and now he won't send back any money, so he outright stole ~£45k, or whatever the exact figure is, plus Vegas money and whatnot. Some of that went through a Betfair account, some of it didn't, but whether or not it was used on any exchanges or not in the interim is basically irrelevant. Am I out of line in thinking that there's been too much talk about and dissection of the details, and not enough reporting to the police by everyone involved of a blatant £45k theft? (* People may obviously have been doing this behind the scenes, I wouldn't know, and I'm probably not going to post again on this since, as I say, probably not my business.)