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[Ant040689]

Have you ever tried your style across 12 or more tabs and done so successfully? Think 6 is just too small an amount and your profits could increase simply by adding a couple more?

[pleno1]

Hey ant,

I basically play an absurd style that I really need to be careful of and aware of all table dynamics at all times, if I was playing 12 tables I wouldnt be able to play as near as loose as I do right now and I would probably spew a lot in situations. Part of playing a really good aggressive game is being able to make big folds and understanding when to slow down. It's so easy to just b3b every flop with any equity and think of it as standard when in reality it's huge spew.

People who 12 table are generally the people I make most of my money against as they struggle to play va aggression and use really face up polarised lines. I also think subconscious bet sizing is a huge thing and something that people do far far too often. I have one read on microgaming that 95% of regs do and it's so retardedly simple yet the read is absolutely dead on and I've failed to see the read be unsuccessful yet. Don't want to write it in public but its something that can be transparent to all forms of poker.

One last thing kve been working on is playing vs capped ranges and really putting pressure on, there was an example today where utg raises and cbets q105chs he checked behind the ah turn and then bet when checked to on a heart river, i had no reads on the guy but the turn is an absolute nut card for him o barrel an because of board textire would barrel the mid-top end of his range for value abd double all of his heart combos as seni bluffs so onthe rover he can never call a c/r. He bet 72 into 120ish and I raised to 390 and I'd say he was a million to ever call. I've. Been playing really loosey goosey and playing as many post flop decisions as possible as I think I'll make money from continuing to make good individual decisions based on an overall game plan and unsocial and generic reads.

I'll post tomorrow about some of the things I think I struggle with in cash games and go about trying to improve them.

[pleno1]

I think preparation in games is very underrated. In the gala game with the playerpool not having a plan here is pretty poor. I haven't wrote it down but i have a decent enough memory for hands/tendencies and can easily adjust a hypothetical situation to adjust this. With the K9s  hand i posted a while ago, I'd been planning that for months vs a potential of 3 regs, where i felt like I'd stack them a huge % of the time. Yeah cooler with AK vs K9 on Ks9s5 but he went mental at the same time, and that was something I'd thought of prior. Obviously having a plan is important, and so is tendencies, but how in depth do you go? Especially as you seem to think outside of the box so often, i.e the 22 thread you posted  recently. I've felt noticed I've been check/raising the river a lot less, this is partly because it felt like it wasn't working enough. Playing more on the edge of ym seat, i was willing to just pull the trigger. I guess my question is; do you feel like planning can go to far? And how do you adapt this in game? Is there anything  i should do to think over all 3 options instead of the two more traditional options on the river, i,e bet/fold or check/call when in actuality, check/raise is best. Is just being aware of this the enough?

I just started writing and this came out. Hope it makes sense, please keep up the regular updates, I've found it inspiring and exams end in 5 hours, so i can do something about it!

Hey Adam.. Should have saved the c/r on the river in the last post for this post haha. I think my gameplay changes so frequently that preparing in depth doesn't make so much sense, at almost every showdown we can pick up something from the hand, something tiny can have a small impact in a big pot and this have a huge impact. A ganeplan should usually change depending on how you are viewed, so you're perceived range, we should then try to understand this and then counteract, this gettin to 'level 3' knowing what the guy think about you, vs certain players we can go one level above and ten others one level higher, but I think 'levels' are generally capped at level 5 and after then there's only really level 3 and 4 being repeated and this people overthrowing things.

Trying to stick specifically to your question I would ty hard to practice generic stereotyping and generic perceived ranges and how you can exploit then in the future as things move too fast and trying to be too specific for one person when so many things can change the outcome. Ie 6b calling 200bbs deep in a live cash game vs Mitch may be good an something you can work on trying to perhaps do, but things such as how much is he up/down how has his recent month been, is he baked for the game, is his backer sitting in this game et should all contribute to the individual situation rather than a desired set up situation.

So from this I'd suggest working on some stuff perhaps asking and answering questions about perceived situations that are fairly frequent and that you can eventually just engrain in your brain and be able to adjust super quickly in the future and it be natural.

Felt like I blabbed about here and it's hard editing etc on my phone so if you wanna chat some more about it or work together on setting yourself some training exercises then feel free to post back or you have me on Skype.

[Girgy85]

Congrats

[smashedagain]

Congrats

Lol. Was thinking the same. He's been stuck on 111 for a few days now

[rfgqqabc]

I think preparation in games is very underrated. In the gala game with the playerpool not having a plan here is pretty poor. I haven't wrote it down but i have a decent enough memory for hands/tendencies and can easily adjust a hypothetical situation to adjust this. With the K9s  hand i posted a while ago, I'd been planning that for months vs a potential of 3 regs, where i felt like I'd stack them a huge % of the time. Yeah cooler with AK vs K9 on Ks9s5 but he went mental at the same time, and that was something I'd thought of prior. Obviously having a plan is important, and so is tendencies, but how in depth do you go? Especially as you seem to think outside of the box so often, i.e the 22 thread you posted  recently. I've felt noticed I've been check/raising the river a lot less, this is partly because it felt like it wasn't working enough. Playing more on the edge of ym seat, i was willing to just pull the trigger. I guess my question is; do you feel like planning can go to far? And how do you adapt this in game? Is there anything  i should do to think over all 3 options instead of the two more traditional options on the river, i,e bet/fold or check/call when in actuality, check/raise is best. Is just being aware of this the enough?

I just started writing and this came out. Hope it makes sense, please keep up the regular updates, I've found it inspiring and exams end in 5 hours, so i can do something about it!

Hey Adam.. Should have saved the c/r on the river in the last post for this post haha. I think my gameplay changes so frequently that preparing in depth doesn't make so much sense, at almost every showdown we can pick up something from the hand, something tiny can have a small impact in a big pot and this have a huge impact. A ganeplan should usually change depending on how you are viewed, so you're perceived range, we should then try to understand this and then counteract, this gettin to 'level 3' knowing what the guy think about you, vs certain players we can go one level above and ten others one level higher, but I think 'levels' are generally capped at level 5 and after then there's only really level 3 and 4 being repeated and this people overthrowing things.

Trying to stick specifically to your question I would ty hard to practice generic stereotyping and generic perceived ranges and how you can exploit then in the future as things move too fast and trying to be too specific for one person when so many things can change the outcome. Ie 6b calling 200bbs deep in a live cash game vs Mitch may be good an something you can work on trying to perhaps do, but things such as how much is he up/down how has his recent month been, is he baked for the game, is his backer sitting in this game et should all contribute to the individual situation rather than a desired set up situation.

So from this I'd suggest working on some stuff perhaps asking and answering questions about perceived situations that are fairly frequent and that you can eventually just engrain in your brain and be able to adjust super quickly in the future and it be natural.

Felt like I blabbed about here and it's hard editing etc on my phone so if you wanna chat some more about it or work together on setting yourself some training exercises then feel free to post back or you have me on Skype.

Yeah, I think we are on the same wave lengths. When i say i prepare in depth, i have about 5 winning regs, 10-30fish, and 5 or so whales, with a plan, in rough form, for each person. For example, I noticed a winning player opening a lot from every position. It turns out he had widened his UTG range to include Q8s, (lol) so i got stuck in with the 3betting. ANother was 3betting a regs utg open as he loved limp/reraising big hands. This meant I'm 3betting an openers range who doesn't have 75% of his stack off range pre lol. What sort of specific exercises would you use? I intend to go through some hands in a form of ev calc, looking at every street and ranges etc. Do you think this is a good idea? Any ideas on software needed, probably cardrunners ev or flopzilla etc.

Might send you a msg on skype at some point today, few things to ask.

[pleno1]

[16:33:45] xxxxxx: hey
[16:34:56] Patrick Leonard: sup
[16:38:52] xxxxxx: ste told me that ur his backer and i was wondering if you wud back me?
[16:39:02] Patrick Leonard: sure 5knl?
[16:39:58] xxxxxx: yh sure which site?
[16:40:27] Patrick Leonard: full tilt?

[pleno1]

Had a really annoying hand today at 1knl. I was starting to take shots at 1knl and mid way through first session I 4bet a button 3bets vs my utg raise..


Preflop: Hero is UTG with    
Hero raises to €30.00, 1 fold, GandaDegen raises to €90.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to €210.00, GandaDegen calls €120.00
 
Flop: (€345.00)     (2 players) Hero  bets €205.00, GandaDegen calls €205.00

Turn: (€755.00)      (2 players) Hero checks, GandaDegen bets €600.00, Hero calls €600.00
 
River: (€1955.00)       (2 players

Hero was UTG with    
Final board:      
Hero  shows  
(Pre 59.2% Flop 72.6% Turn 86.4% River 0.0%)  
GandaDegen shows    
(Pre 40.8% Flop 27.4% Turn 13.6% River 100.0%)  
GandaDegen wins €2042.00

[pleno1]

#GottaKnowWhenToFoldEm

Win rate in poker is made out of lots of different stuff, most people think that high stakes players edges come from being able to double float, form being able to cold 5bet and from being able to c/r air. The reason why they are the best is because they constantly make good decisions, whether that be thin value bets, good check behinds or good folds.

I feel like I've been playing super tip top recently but today was really unhappy that I made a call on the river when if I thought about it properly would have folded. I had won so much money vs this guy by playing aggresively well vs him, more so than most regular players would, this made me a good player vs this opponent, however to make me a really great player would be folding the river where its obvious (to a great player) that I'm beat.

I really do love playing and I am happy to see that the regs are very different from 400nl to 1knl, the 600nl guys basically sometimes play 400 or sometimes 1k, but the regs at 1k that play 1k-5k play very differently and I am having to adjust accordingly. The other thing that great players do is being able to adjust quicker than anybody else.

#onedayiwannabegreat

[DMorgan]

Grinding chooooons

[Ant040689]

Glad to hear its going well.

Taking the same approach to my own game with my attempted assault on tourns. Looking for any edge I can get and really investigate setups that will maximise profits. Going to stop relying on intuition alone with the poor setup I have. Intuition I believe comes from doing an activity so much that your unconscious mind is telling you something is amiss when someone attempts a bluff and you just 'feel' like you should call.

This intuition is marred when the setup of information gathering you have is insufficient so you only know what might be within the realms of what is available to you. For example, playing with no notes and no added info on players means you are good at noticing betting patterns alone and can do well assuming your play is right for how they bet and in what position. But the air of uncertainty will lose you money as if you knew more about the villain you would win more.

Bloody obvious I know and unnecessarily verbose but I am going to basically leave no stone unturned in my quest for tourney domination and it is starting with pressing 'post' after I'm done writing here. Exciting. No more personal thread derails from me too, just your approach to the game I am looking to emulate and surpass (why not, think big lol).

Hope the 1-5k is beatable for you I think it will be as soon as you give yourself enough time to adjust. Glglglgl.

[strak33]

[16:33:45] xxxxxx: hey
[16:34:56] Patrick Leonard: sup
[16:38:52] xxxxxx: ste told me that ur his backer and i was wondering if you wud back me?
[16:39:02] Patrick Leonard: sure 5knl?
[16:39:58] xxxxxx: yh sure which site?
[16:40:27] Patrick Leonard: full tilt?

Haha

Good luck at 1knl

[GreekStein]

Had a really annoying hand today at 1knl. I was starting to take shots at 1knl and mid way through first session I 4bet a button 3bets vs my utg raise..


Preflop: Hero is UTG with    
Hero raises to €30.00, 1 fold, GandaDegen raises to €90.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to €210.00, GandaDegen calls €120.00
 
Flop: (€345.00)     (2 players) Hero  bets €205.00, GandaDegen calls €205.00

Turn: (€755.00)      (2 players) Hero checks, GandaDegen bets €600.00, Hero calls €600.00
 
River: (€1955.00)       (2 players

Hero was UTG with    
Final board:      
Hero  shows  
(Pre 59.2% Flop 72.6% Turn 86.4% River 0.0%)  
GandaDegen shows    
(Pre 40.8% Flop 27.4% Turn 13.6% River 100.0%)  
GandaDegen wins €2042.00

Are you Joe Strummer in disguise?

You make it 210 pre and he peels yet there is only 345 in the pot on the flop!

[pleno1]

welcome to microgaming, hh abs fucked.

piccy just for you met x

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[GreekStein]

rofl thats not what the rail wanted to see