Manchester United, that didn't last long. Seven up

[tikay]

Fair enough.  Personally I quite like Fellaini.  Elbow issues aside I think he's a good pro and gets a lot of grief.  Rooney is also a good pro, but my personal opinion is that trying to play him out of position is detrimental to Man Utd and also doesn't allow England to develop a long term tactical plan for the future.  I may be mistaken but I seem to remember the one ray of sunshine when England beat Germany was when Rooney wasn't in the squad so the other players could express themselves without deferring to the fading star?  I would ditch him from England (even at the cost of a short term downturn) and at Man Utd would play him as a number 10 or not at all as the match situation demanded it.

Maureen promised the world & his wife that Rooney would be played as a striker this season, but his role seems to vary from game to game. If he is being played out of position - see also LvG - that's not Rooney's fault.

As to England, well I'm afraid Big Sam seems intent on repeating the errors of Roy H, in fact Sam's team selection was near identical to Roy's. Time for a fresh start imo. Drop all the names, & everyone older than 25, & start with a clean sheet of paper. We have plenty of young talent.  It can hardly be worse, can it? 

[nirvana]

Rooney just looks a classic burnout effect to me.

Similar to torres playing regular football at such a young age takes it toll rooney was at his physical peak early 20s which is rare.

Tbf moyes did try and hold him back at Everton and got pelters for doing so.

Wonder where he will go when his contract expires or before. America be to fast paced as stevie g has found out China probably the favourite.

I hope he stays in England.

After all these years, money & success, he still absolutely loves the game, gives of his best, & expends every ounce of energy. Not too many in his spot can say that.

He has strayed from the straight & narrow occasionally, both off the pitch & in contract negotiations, but for the most part, he is a shining example to youngsters that they should a) enjoy the game & b) always give of their best.

Ps - Apologies if I am coming across a bit grumpy this morning. That's probably because I generally am grumpy in the morning. And afternoons. I'm OK in the evenings though. Sometimes.     

You're talking pish of course. Most people talk about Rooney the footballer and his football skills. You're talking about some abstract concepts related to running a lot and being a shining example of .. er.... running a lot. He's just another in a long line of undroppable overpaid meatheads and with wegwet, I can't be persuaded otherwise

[tikay]

Rooney just looks a classic burnout effect to me.

Similar to torres playing regular football at such a young age takes it toll rooney was at his physical peak early 20s which is rare.

Tbf moyes did try and hold him back at Everton and got pelters for doing so.

Wonder where he will go when his contract expires or before. America be to fast paced as stevie g has found out China probably the favourite.

I hope he stays in England.

After all these years, money & success, he still absolutely loves the game, gives of his best, & expends every ounce of energy. Not too many in his spot can say that.

He has strayed from the straight & narrow occasionally, both off the pitch & in contract negotiations, but for the most part, he is a shining example to youngsters that they should a) enjoy the game & b) always give of their best.

Ps - Apologies if I am coming across a bit grumpy this morning. That's probably because I generally am grumpy in the morning. And afternoons. I'm OK in the evenings though. Sometimes.     

You're talking pish of course. Most people talk about Rooney the footballer and his football skills. You're talking about some abstract concepts related to running a lot and being a shining example of .. er.... running a lot. He's just another in a long line of undroppable overpaid meatheads and with wegwet, I can't be persuaded otherwise

Good post, chompy.

[hhyftrftdr]

I really hope they continue to play Rooney, in whatever position.

In fact, I hope they give him a contract extension. 2019 is only 3 years away, after all, get him tied down to an even longer deal on even more money. Boy, does he earn it.

Trying to put myself in a position as if I was a united fan, which is a shuddering thought, and Rashford often warms the bench? Whilst ''wazza'' always starts? Simply madness, and not the baggy trousers kind.

[Cf]

Think you're all being a bit harsh on Rooney.

He's got that much experience and skill that even our England manager doesn't feel it is place to tell him what position to play in. Presumably he plans out a team of 10 and asks Wayne to play where he feels is most appropriate to make it work.

[exstream]

3 defeats in a week is not what we were expecting.

I was - still am to a degree - hoping that City & United would go head to head this season, & really liven things up. Those 2 going at it hammer & tongs can only be good.

It's all a bit sad, too, to see the Rooney & Fellaini haters enjoying themselves so, with their constant jibes from the comfort of their armchairs. Both players would walk into at least 17 or 18 of the EPL first teams. Strange how those people who love to knock & diss so rarely give praise to anyone.

If United can run up a little sequence of wins now, & Jose gets back to that wonderfully arrogant chirp mode, it'd be no bad thing.   

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/wayne-rooneys-presence-is-stifling-zlatan-ibrahimovic-and-paul-pogba-35057272.html

People do have their reasons for hating on Rooney. Simply, he's past it. Premier league is so fast paced, no way would he be in 17 or 18 of the teams, and fellaini, just as bad, weren't Sunderland the team wanting him.

[TightEnd]

Only way forward for Mourinho is to drop Rooney . . . Pep would

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-way-forward-for-mourinho-is-to-drop-rooney-pep-would-8xvb9v33p?shareToken=93258aeeb72536188cf3867817345b9f

[DungBeetle]

According to some Man Utd fanzine a staggering 92 percent want Rooney tinned.

[hhyftrftdr]

According to some Man Utd fanzine a staggering 92 percent want Rooney tinned.

From what I gather a lot of fans seem to think he has a 'plays if fit' clause in his contract. Seems a bit farfetched maybe but could explain why managers persist in starting him despite him being obviously turd these days.

If you believe what you read, Yaya had one at City for a couple of seasons under Bobby/Pellers. Not anymore

[Marky147]

According to some Man Utd fanzine a staggering 92 percent want Rooney tinned.

From what I gather a lot of fans seem to think he has a 'plays if fit' clause in his contract. Seems a bit farfetched maybe but could explain why managers persist in starting him despite him being obviously turd these days.

If you believe what you read, Yaya had one at City for a couple of seasons under Bobby/Pellers. Not anymore

Great article on the SL website about the Yaya situation, and very clever how he has dealt with it.

I shouldn't really, but I'm liking him more as time goes by.

[TightEnd]

22 Years ago today, Scholes made his debut for united

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[TightEnd]

tactical analysis, why Mourinho needs a new system etc

www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/21/is-it-time-for-jose-mourinho-to-try-a-new-tactical-system-at-man/

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[BigAdz]

3 defeats in a week is not what we were expecting.

I was - still am to a degree - hoping that City & United would go head to head this season, & really liven things up. Those 2 going at it hammer & tongs can only be good.

It's all a bit sad, too, to see the Rooney & Fellaini haters enjoying themselves so, with their constant jibes from the comfort of their armchairs. Both players would walk into at least 17 or 18 of the EPL first teams. Strange how those people who love to knock & diss so rarely give praise to anyone.

If United can run up a little sequence of wins now, & Jose gets back to that wonderfully arrogant chirp mode, it'd be no bad thing.   

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/wayne-rooneys-presence-is-stifling-zlatan-ibrahimovic-and-paul-pogba-35057272.html

People do have their reasons for hating on Rooney. Simply, he's past it. Premier league is so fast paced, no way would he be in 17 or 18 of the teams, and fellaini, just as bad, weren't Sunderland the team wanting him.

There will always be certain fans who consider this nonsense, and despite someone being past it, they will want them to keep their job forever, because of what they have done in the distant past.

[TightEnd]

Interesting month ahead

Manchester United fixtures from 17th October:

Liverpool (a)
Fenerbahçe (h)
Chelsea (a)
Man City (h)

[TightEnd]

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