Anyone REALLY pass here?!?

[The Baron]

It's not very clear cut either way. If you fold and he shows 99 does that make it a bad play?

I like the "decide my own fate" theory as well but I cant say a bad word about anyone who calls here.

[Royal Flush]

James,, you say you wouldnt call because he could have AA KK QQ JJ, thats good to know - EVERY time i play you I am all in on ur big blind. Of course you will fold because i "could" have Aces ?!?!?

Where did i say that??

If you actually read what i say instead of posting a pre thought reply you will see i said AK AQ JJ. Not AA KK QQ.

For me this is a bad call, i have faith in my ability to build a stack without having to call all in, we dont have the same style.

[M3boy]

So James, what hand would be your minimum hand to call here?!? I really am interested in this.

And stack build you say (I myself am VERY confident in stack building, but decided to take a shot here against someone who was an "all in" merchant who could of EASILY had an even lesser hand than he actually had),,,,, blinds are about to be 6000, 12000 with 600 ante's

You have left yourself with 6xBB and only one move - all in (within the next 5 hands before you are the BB)

I can remember being at Brighton for the 750 double chance last year (the one where my AA was beaten by KK with quads). DC was on the same table when down to 4 tables. He had a healthy stack, not sure how much but it was AT LEAST 30xBB. He was BB and this guy went "all in" on him (he was all in quite alot with slightly more chips than DC) - sound familier?!?!?!

Well DC said "do i want to gamble here" , "ok" he said and called

He flipped over 9 9

The other guy had A Q

99 held up.

So this was a "bad call"?? and DC only made it because he also lacks the ability to "stack build"?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Ginger]

I had a similar situation to this in the Barcelona 1000 fo , I was going alone nicely, building a stack that I was happy with.  One of the other players was starting to gain a huge stack by going all in on just about every other hand, usually having the worst of it but miraculously hitting constantly.

Well, a good hour this had gone on for, and everyone was staying out of his way when I looked down and saw TT,  he did the same large raise as usual, and I think, right you sod, I’m gonna take you on!  And I re-raised him all in.  He of course called in a flash, flipping over KK.  Was I right to take him on with TT?  I can honestly say IMO it was one of the stupidest plays I have ever made. I was by no means the SS, or a huge stack, but I didn’t have the goods to take him on, of course it was very bad timing and unlucky that he had a real hand,  if I had him well covered I think it would have been easier to take, and possibly the RIGHT move, but to put your tournament on the line with TT,  IMO is wrong.  A better spot was bound to come along.

[M3boy]

This situation is entirely different. You are left with 6 x BB if you fold

So are you also saying that DC's move with the 9 9 was wrong?!?

[Ginger]

I don't believe I made any comment on DC's move at all, and haven't given it much thought as yet. But, off the top of my head, would I call an all in with 99 with 30x BB? I doubt it,  And would i be happy seeing AQ? not a chance.

And apart from a few blinds difference, I fail to see how the situations are different. This guy was running over the table, and would continue to do so.

[M3boy]

Jane/James

This thread is going off topic.

Poker is about "opinions" on how to play -

Yes it is true, I took offence to James's post saying my call was "wrong" and quoting "his ability"

I always see arguments both ways on "marginal" decisions. I will post an argument if I would of played a hand differently to someone else, but NEVER would I say someone was WRONG in a "marginal" decision.

So many decisions are based on "feel". And you can only get this from being in the situation, seeing how people have played before etc....

I CAN make an argument for folding here, but like i said, at that particular time decided to "take my chances"

[AdamM]

I agree with james  I pass comfortably here. I think I'd put him on similar hands. he's a player for who there are hands he knows he should be playing but he doesnt know how. hands like that are JJ, AJ, AQ and the sort of stuff you've seen him show. If I pass and he flips a lower pair it doesn't bother me because I feel passing a middle pair from SB with a player already all in it the right thing unless I'm desperate and although thats round the corner, it's not yet.

[Ginger]

I agree Paul, what seemed the right thing to do at the time, for me in my situation, turned out in hindsight to be wrong, the more I think it over, the worse it was. We can only ever base our decisions on that moment in time, and sometimes what is not normally the "right" move, at that moment in time is.

Every situation is different, and a textbook answer is not always correct when you are actually sat at the table, you get a feel for what is happening, and that can't always be explained in posts such as these.

I wasn't saying you were wrong as such, just that if I were in that same situation again, I would of VERY reluctantly folded. Purely my opinion, which is the idea of this hand analysis board.

[M3boy]

Yes Jane I agree with you.

See my post on tikays thread on the BS fessie biggie. When I passed AK on the river on a k high board with 4 clubs and i never had a club.

[byronkincaid]

I got a new toy an' I'm gonna use it

                 equity (%)     win (%)   tie (%)
Hand  1:   50.1849 %     49.99%    00.20%      { TcTd }
Hand  2:   49.8151 %     49.62%    00.20%      { JJ, AQs+, AQo+ }


easy call for me with the blinds as high as they are.

[Wardonkey]

I'm with you Paul, I'm calling here.

A better spot was bound to come along.

I don't think that's true in this situation. If you have a player running over the table then you can't afford to just wait for aces unless you have a very large stack of your own.

[NoflopsHomer]

I'd lump them in. But the biggest problem is that you're HOPING you're 50/50.

[Wardonkey]

No, your hoping he has a rag Ace or a smaller pair. From his previously described play this seems likely.

[wsopin07]

I'm with you Paul, I'm calling here.

A better spot was bound to come along.

I don't think that's true in this situation. If you have a player running over the table then you can't afford to just wait for aces unless you have a very large stack of your own.

That is why it is a great debate, I have heard alot of people second guess Phil Ivery for being to crazy w/ a big stack! Same thing, a judgement call based on the time at the table? Everyone will have a comment, take then all in and learn! AS the great Cupcake would say, " its just a silly game"