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« Reply #38055 on: April 16, 2013, 11:01:59 AM »

One last post before I go and attend to three things I have been totally putting off.

 Maybe we should have some Golden Rules of taking Priority Prices. A PP Charter. If the bet meets the criteria we bet it automatically and nobody is allowed to moan afterwards that they would have layed it or they didn't fancy it.

 Let me throw out some rules, hopefully others can help refine it:

 The selection must be x% bigger than it is in the Betfair market.

 The Betfair market should be reasonably well established and liquid.

 If the Betfair market is likely to be skewed massively by wagon-money then we need to beat the price by x%.

 Has anything changed in the last 24-hours that could change the Betfair market significantly, or that has started to change the market significantly?

 Is something likely to happen in the next 24 hours that could change the Betfair market significantly?

 If there are two PPS on the same event we should have more on the one that best meets these criteria and less on the one that doesn't even if they are both +ev rather than max on each (is that a good idea, given that both are +ev?).

 We should look to trade out if there is further information available that might make us fancy the bet less which we believe the market may not have fully reflected yet (a change in going happening late at night when we are all up and we know the horse will drift badly as normal wagons wake up).

 Can anyone think of other rules?

Note that with many (but not all) Priority Offers we get 12  hours notice.
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« Reply #38056 on: April 16, 2013, 11:05:23 AM »

 Not sure I see what you mean. Are you saying that often we don't get time to think them through and it's a rush to get on?

 (obv sometimes it is and I'm sure putting all the bets on and rushing to do things is difficult).
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« Reply #38057 on: April 16, 2013, 11:07:31 AM »

Not sure I see what you mean. Are you saying that often we don't get time to think them through and it's a rush to get on? (obv sometimes it is and I'm sure putting all the bets on and rushing to do things is difficult).

No, quite the opposite.

We get overnight notice of Priority Offers, so plenty of time to chew the cud before plunging.

I generally state I will be getting on the Priority Offer the next morning, too, so there is time for everyone to have their say.

They are, really, the only bets where we don't have to rush, as we know the price will be there, just so long as we are around at 0900 the next morning. So no excuses for making bad bets really.
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« Reply #38058 on: April 16, 2013, 11:10:15 AM »

Yeah 100%. Funnier to wind him up tho than tell him he done well

This, 100%. He is a very good mate, & it pleases me to mock-diss him.

I would expect him to do the same to me if I were not completely perfect in every way.

It is certainly not genuine, or serious. *

* Well just a bit.


I was actually going to come on and say that Walsall at 33/1 to be promoted would not be the worst bet in the world but I won't now  Wink

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« Reply #38059 on: April 16, 2013, 11:11:39 AM »

Yeah 100%. Funnier to wind him up tho than tell him he done well

This, 100%. He is a very good mate, & it pleases me to mock-diss him.

I would expect him to do the same to me if I were not completely perfect in every way.

It is certainly not genuine, or serious. *

* Well just a bit.


I was actually going to come on and say that Walsall at 33/1 to be promoted would not be the worst bet in the world but I won't now  Wink

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« Reply #38060 on: April 16, 2013, 11:20:57 AM »

Think we need to re-focus a bit.  Perhaps each poster needs to give a bit more of a rationale for each bet with cliffs on research done and the edge we have and why its a must bet for Fred.  Clearly the Betfair market prices have a bearing on this but we do need some specialist input from those members of the TFT massive has their individual edge.  

A suggestion if i may....A bit like being elected for membership of a golf club, perhaps each selection posted needs a seconder and a third poster also in agreement before Tikay punts it? 3 affirmative re-quotes of the suggestion and it rides.

The problem with this Greg is that "Elders" are not always online so quite often a recc at x price may be put up and if we are waiting for 3 re-quotes the price/value may have gone.
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« Reply #38061 on: April 16, 2013, 11:28:01 AM »

Yeah 100%. Funnier to wind him up tho than tell him he done well

This, 100%. He is a very good mate, & it pleases me to mock-diss him.

I would expect him to do the same to me if I were not completely perfect in every way.

It is certainly not genuine, or serious. *

* Well just a bit.


I was actually going to come on and say that Walsall at 33/1 to be promoted would not be the worst bet in the world but I won't now  Wink

I love the Banter as well!!

So tempted to press Wink

In the Racing Post yesterday they always have "5 things we learned from the weekend ".

No 4..."Walsall are sneaking up and could represent a decent bet at 33-1 with Badblokes to get promoted.
The Saddlers have lost just one of the 19 league games they have played this year and should beat Bury
in their penultimate game on Saturday. They are just a point behind Swindon, who look a terrible price for
promotion at just 4-1"

Someone has faith Wink
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« Reply #38062 on: April 16, 2013, 11:32:38 AM »

Yeah 100%. Funnier to wind him up tho than tell him he done well

This, 100%. He is a very good mate, & it pleases me to mock-diss him.

I would expect him to do the same to me if I were not completely perfect in every way.

It is certainly not genuine, or serious. *

* Well just a bit.


I was actually going to come on and say that Walsall at 33/1 to be promoted would not be the worst bet in the world but I won't now  Wink

I love the Banter as well!!

So tempted to press Wink

In the Racing Post yesterday they always have "5 things we learned from the weekend ".

No 4..."Walsall are sneaking up and could represent a decent bet at 33-1 with Badblokes to get promoted.
The Saddlers have lost just one of the 19 league games they have played this year and should beat Bury
in their penultimate game on Saturday. They are just a point behind Swindon, who look a terrible price for
promotion at just 4-1"

Someone has faith Wink

At first sight, it does not look THAT silly.

The League Table tells us that the 4 Teams above them - the ones in the Play Off Zone - have all played at least one game less though.

They do have that wonderful thing called "momentum" though.

We currently have £50 @ 5/1 for them to be relegated, & £5 @ 20/1 for them to be Promoted.

Quite neat how we got the wrong side of BOTH Markets.....
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« Reply #38063 on: April 16, 2013, 11:53:56 AM »

Yeah 100%. Funnier to wind him up tho than tell him he done well

This, 100%. He is a very good mate, & it pleases me to mock-diss him.

I would expect him to do the same to me if I were not completely perfect in every way.

It is certainly not genuine, or serious. *

* Well just a bit.


I was actually going to come on and say that Walsall at 33/1 to be promoted would not be the worst bet in the world but I won't now  Wink

I love the Banter as well!!

So tempted to press Wink

In the Racing Post yesterday they always have "5 things we learned from the weekend ".

No 4..."Walsall are sneaking up and could represent a decent bet at 33-1 with Badblokes to get promoted.
The Saddlers have lost just one of the 19 league games they have played this year and should beat Bury
in their penultimate game on Saturday. They are just a point behind Swindon, who look a terrible price for
promotion at just 4-1"

Someone has faith Wink

At first sight, it does not look THAT silly.

The League Table tells us that the 4 Teams above them - the ones in the Play Off Zone - have all played at least one game less though.

They do have that wonderful thing called "momentum" though.

We currently have £50 @ 5/1 for them to be relegated, & £5 @ 20/1 for them to be Promoted.

Quite neat how we got the wrong side of BOTH Markets.....
IMHO the 3rd place is between Swindon,MK Dons and Walsall

Swindon have 3 games left  tonight vs Crewe, Stevenage at Home and finally Scunthorpe away

Mk Dons play Colchester tonight away, Scunthorpe at home and finally Stevenage away and
WalESOll play Bury at home followed by Crewe Away

Walsall have to win both games and hope Swindon lose at least one game or draw all three and MK Dons drop at least a point.

If you are going to throw another dart I would only suggest £10 with a view to laying them back if they make the play-offs at 4/1, 9/2 ish giving us a green book.

Obviously the bet could be dead and buried by 4.45 Saturday in which casi I expect a further amount of Rub downs from Tikay at DTD  Sad
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« Reply #38064 on: April 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM »


too much retromingency itt
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« Reply #38065 on: April 16, 2013, 12:20:03 PM »

For opinions please

Everton have lost the fewest games in the Premiership this season behind the two Manchester Clubs

They go to Arsenal tonight, both in the hunt for top 4, top 5 etc

Arsenal can currently be laid at 1.73.

They do have a habit of conceding goals at home (Reading, Villa and Norwich have scored at Arsenal last three home games) and Everton won't be as profligate at the back as the sorts of teams to whom Arsenal can bang a few in and overcome the loss of a goal


Is there any mileage in opposing Arsenal later?

I would suggest at the prices there might be, but that's an opinion not a recommendation  
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« Reply #38066 on: April 16, 2013, 01:28:05 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN52vUJRMts

best ride ever for second place?
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« Reply #38067 on: April 16, 2013, 01:35:21 PM »

incredible ride.
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« Reply #38068 on: April 16, 2013, 01:41:54 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN52vUJRMts

best ride ever for second place?

Haha, that's pretty special!
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« Reply #38069 on: April 16, 2013, 01:53:30 PM »

Chess. The FIDE World Grand Prix event in Zug, Switzerland, starting Thursday.

Teimour Radjabov is 11/1 with Marathonbet.

http://www.marathonbet.com/en/betting/Chess

His recentish record against the field (in order of current rating):

Karjakin (2 wins 3 draws 1 loss)
Caruana (5 draws)
Topalov (13 draws)
Nakamura (1 win 5 draws)
Mamedyarov (1 win 8 draws)
Morozevich (4 draws 1 loss)
Leko (7 draws 1 loss)
Kamsky (4 wins 3 draws 2 losses)
Ponomariov (3 wins 6 draws)
Giri (no classical games on record, but 2 wins 2 draws in blitz and blindfold comps)
Kasimdzanov (1 win)

The data is difficult to get much out of, as I have had to pull data in some cases going back 10 years. He doesn’t play much in elite competition against these guys but he is very solid.

The tournament is set up very interestingly. The players who are known for being aggressive in their style are...Karjakin, Caruana, Topalov, Nakamura, Mamedyarov, Morozevich and Kasimdzanov. The rest, including our man, are more solid. Of the more solid types, Radjabov is the best player and is the 4th highest rated player in the world (it will take a beating next month when the Candidates results are included, but only so much as to put him back in towards the top of the pack, rather than where he now is, at the top of it). The big boys aren’t in this one, because they already qualify by being the highest rated, the previous Candidate or the current Champ.

Radjabov is a very solid player (5 losses against this field in the last five or so years tells its own story). He likes to counter-attack, rather than to be a swashbuckler, but he has excellent opening knowledge and is more dynamic with Black than with White (this is a combination that tends to lead to a higher draw rate FWIW).

The Candidates all went wrong for Radjabov. He turned up having not played a serious competition for some time and started well (he should have beaten Carlsen in the middle weekend and was a whisker away from doing so). He missed a couple of chances through rustiness, having reached good positions in most of his games. Once he started to tire and the results started to go against him, it is commonplace to see the other players play more aggressively against an exposed player and, at that level, it was a horrible spiralling set of zeros that followed.

He will have been knocked about by that result and his rating took an absolute hammering. However, he has now had months of preparation, three weeks of elite competition and a few weeks of wound-licking behind him. He is now to be playing in a qualifying event for the next World Championship cycle. In racing parlance, I would describe him as “excuses latest; trip likely to suit”

I don’t expect Radjabov to win this tournament. However, the comp doesn’t favour players who win one and lose one over those who draw twice (in other words, it is 1 point for a win, ½ for a draw and 0 for a loss, rather than a football 3/1/0 system). It might well be that the top five in the market beat each other up and clear no ground. Radjabov, if he can win a couple of games against the rivals, might well find himself in contention. He most certainly has the talent and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he were up there at the end. 11/1 feels like the market has overreacted from his Candidates performance.

I’m going to be nitty. Would Fred fancy a fiver? It is a bit of a punt, because there are more dynamic players in the tournament and we can’t be sure how Radjabov will react to last month’s stay in London. Nevertheless, I don’t believe he’s three times less likely to win this than Karjakin. The majority of the time, we are not going to win anything, but I’m seeing 11/1 and thinking this could be an opportunity to value-nibble. Mamedyarov at 9/1 looks silly in comparison.

Really wouldn’t recommend ploughing into it and I promise to limit the updates to brief – en passant – posts. Just wondered whether £5 at 11/1 with Marathonbet might enable Fred to cover a few darts elsewhere.
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