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« Reply #111075 on: January 01, 2016, 12:34:45 PM »

just for a bit of fun

where is the value in this one?



vardy unlikely to start many, but england will have 10+ games in the year depending on euro2016 finals progress

mcilroy will score 2-4 points?

england 1+ away win, unlikely to be 3

olympic track medals 6 in London

fallers at first national fence 1-4?

mvg tv 9 darts? none? 1?

murray grand slams? none?
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« Reply #111076 on: January 01, 2016, 12:37:14 PM »

just for a bit of fun

where is the value in this one?



vardy unlikely to start many, but england will have 10+ games in the year depending on euro2016 finals progress

mcilroy will score 2-4 points?

england 1+ away win, unlikely to be 3

olympic track medals 6 in London

fallers at first national fence 1-4?

mvg tv 9 darts? none? 1?

murray grand slams? none?

Vardy looks a poor fav to me.  Could easily go scoreless/get injured and not even play that much for England.  Could only back the gold medals at the prices i think.
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« Reply #111077 on: January 01, 2016, 12:37:35 PM »

Happy NY everyone, and congrats on a fantastic betting year for TFT. I've really enjoyed following the thread and some of the bets, so thanks to all contributors  :-)

Anyone who has Skybet offers, they are doing money back if your bet loses the 1.20pm race.
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« Reply #111078 on: January 01, 2016, 12:46:27 PM »

The fav is pretty green going down to the start at Meydan

Second fav tight enough 11/4 machine now the liquidity is there
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« Reply #111079 on: January 01, 2016, 12:52:42 PM »

Blue Creek wins well

Missed break looked to have chances Tobaco ran his race in second

No damage done
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« Reply #111080 on: January 01, 2016, 12:56:02 PM »

The Palmer bet has gone from plucky outsider to pushing for third to threatening for the scoop to possible bubble boy.

There are four guys separated by relatively little. Here's the table, going into the last weekend of the regular season:

1. Tom Brady (New England Patriots) 4,636
2. Philip Rivers (San Diego Chargers) 4,564
3. Drew Brees (New Orleans Saints) 4,547
4. Carson Palmer (Arizona Cardinals) 4,542

So, that's 94 yards separating the top four. Next man down is three hundred behind, so it is three from these four for the places.

Who are they playing against?

New England @ Miami Dolphins (6pm)
San Diego @ Denver Broncos (9.25pm)
New Orleans @ Atlanta Falcons (6pm)
Arizona v Seattle Seahawks (9.25pm)

Our man is the only one with a home game and, as two games will have finished when he kicks off, we will at least know the place money target.

How good are the pass defenses?

In raw terms of yards allowed (average passing yards allowed per game):

Miami 258 (24th best)
Denver 199 (1st)
Atlanta 237 (15th)
Seattle 211 (2nd)

These stats need to be viewed in context: if you run the ball a lot and you're in a division of teams that run the ball a lot, you won't concede many passing yards. If you're in a pass first team and play pass first teams, you will concede a lot of passing yards, even if you defend well against the pass.

Analytics site Football Outsiders ranks the teams against the pass against how they should be expected to do on each play, given the opponent and the situation:

Miami 30th
Denver 1st
Atlanta 19th
Seattle 6th

So, on its face, we are thinking Brady wins and our best hope is Rivers struggling against Denver's defense.

What about the offenses?

New England has been injury riddled on offense all year. Tom Brady is the only offensive player who has started all the games this season in the same position. He has been a little less effective in recent weeks, topping 300 only once in the last five games, including 226, 267 and 231 in the last three. Brady's job has been to win the games. Pure and simple. Miami are 30th against the run...

San Diego have also had injuries to their receivers and, like Brady, Rivers has tailed off a touch in recent weeks (averaging 264 per game over his last 8 games).

New Orleans have offensive weapons but are so bad on defense they simply have to score and score quickly to stay alive. Brees, with a plantar fascia tear in his foot, has thrown monster yards in the last three weeks (312, 341 and 412). He's chucking it and asking his receivers to make plays.

Palmer has had a finger injury but has been consistent in getting yards because of an embarrasment of offensive riches. The emergence of running back, David Johnson, means the opponents can't spread out to cover the pass and, even if they do, Palmer has quick guys going long and tall guys ten yards away, meaning players are rarely double marked. With a big running game compared to the others (roughly 50/50 pass and run), the weakness is Palmer gets fewer opportunities to get his yards than the others.

They've all played these teams already this season. How did they get on?

Brady 356 v Miami
Rivers 202 v Denver
Brees 312 v Atlanta
Palmer 363 @ Seattle

Will they play this weekend?

It's a serious question. The last weekend does see some players rested or understudies tried out in games that don't matter.

Palmer and Brady are in the playoffs and have secured a first round bye in their respective halves. This means they'll have a week off next week. This means they're likely to play this weekend, for at least some of the game. Arizona coach Bruce Arians has said he wants to keep the winning momentum going and two weeks off would risk losing that. Seattle defender Kam Chancellor has a tailbone injury which may keep him on the sidelines and their main running back isn't yet fit.

San Diego want to move to Los Angeles and may have played their last game in SD. There's no indication of anyone else starting but Rivers that I have seen. Drew Brees may be off in the summer but suggested he might stay last week. New Orleans are likely to start him if he's half fit.

Just because they start, doesn't mean they'll finish. Expect half or three quarters if the game is over.

Matchups

The closer the game, the more likely the top QB will be needed on the field. No one wants to lose.

New England are 10 point favourites
San Diego are 9.5 point underdogs
New Orleans are 5.5 point underdogs
Arizona are 6.5 point favourites

What's realistic for our man?

Anything is possible. Brady is obviously favourite here and it's tough to see him not getting the 200 yards he'd need to lock up a top three spot. All four will start if fit. 4,800 gets a place. 4,750 may well do.

If we bubble - pure bubble - that'd be a tough pill to swallow. Whilst we are fourth now, the Rivers situation, just 22 yards ahead, must make him favourite for fourth.

Whatever happens, it's been one of my favourite bets.

Good luck us.

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« Reply #111081 on: January 01, 2016, 01:10:34 PM »

Lovely summary Tal, thanks.

Happy New Year and thanks to everyone who makes this a must read thread every day.

Long may it continue.
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« Reply #111082 on: January 01, 2016, 01:13:05 PM »



Great summary Tal, & it looks beautifully poised, we could still easily get nothing, or the whole damn lot.

Will deffo be watching it on Sunday.
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« Reply #111083 on: January 01, 2016, 01:13:30 PM »

        Bet Type: Single
            Gary Anderson v James Wade Match Handicap - Sets
                Gary Anderson(-1.5) 3/4
        Possible Payout (inc. stake) 350.00 GBP
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    200.00 GBP

    Total Cost: 200.00 GBP
    Total Possible Payout (inc. stake): 350.00 GBP
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« Reply #111084 on: January 01, 2016, 01:15:50 PM »

if you want to see the 71 open bets going into 2016, the spreadsheet at

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eCEvN9MELsUxB81rHuWrfoX3zwIMPQQ205Lcjm3kbgU/edit#gid=34

is as clean as it will be, with no bets settled yet

£3.9k of positions

EV of? above £3.9k? below?
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« Reply #111085 on: January 01, 2016, 01:24:36 PM »

on the subject of the NFL

week 17, most of the play off positions decided, a lot of players have been placed on IR this week as teams out of contention try out fringe players etc

the games where we know teams will be flat out for 60 minutes

* minnesota at green bay. winners get the number 3 seed, losers get the wild card

* jets at buffalo. jets win and into the play offs as a wild card

* arizona v seattle and carolina v tampa..carolina win the number 1 seed and home advantage with a win, arizona can get it if they win and carolina lose

thats about it, so we would expect to see less bets recommended this week, i think especially on player over/unders

for example of one other match i think is interesting

dallas -4 at home to washington. the price reflects that washington have won the division but

a) dallas most certainly do not want to win this game, but won't say so publically. doing so could drop them from 4 to 8 in the draft. losing may see them as high as 2. they need to be as high as possible to draft romo's successor and there are only 2 QBs going early in this draft (goff and lynch, and cleveland is taking one of them)

dallas have put dez on IR this week, a clear sign that its onto next season's business

b) washington are at least beginning by playing cousins and the starters, and want to keep winning into the play offs

i think washington +4 is a great bet, on an unpromising rota of games this weekend

http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/washington-redskins-at-dallas-cowboys/point-spread
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« Reply #111086 on: January 01, 2016, 01:34:14 PM »

if you want to see the 71 open bets going into 2016, the spreadsheet at

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eCEvN9MELsUxB81rHuWrfoX3zwIMPQQ205Lcjm3kbgU/edit#gid=34

is as clean as it will be, with no bets settled yet

£3.9k of positions

EV of? above £3.9k? below?

If anyone has a few minutes to spare, that's well worth a peruse.

Some bets, with hindsight, look amazing.

Leicester City, £50 @ 3/1 to be relegated will have looked a great bet at the time, especially considering last season's great escape.

How are the "Jockey" bets getting on?

Who is "P Glenister" (next Top Gear Presenter)?

QPR need to pull their finger out.

Arsenal, FA Cup & EPL double please.

Go Watford.
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« Reply #111087 on: January 01, 2016, 01:35:58 PM »

if you want to see the 71 open bets going into 2016, the spreadsheet at

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eCEvN9MELsUxB81rHuWrfoX3zwIMPQQ205Lcjm3kbgU/edit#gid=34

is as clean as it will be, with no bets settled yet

£3.9k of positions

EV of? above £3.9k? below?

Are the e/w terms on the barney bet right?  Betfred offering 1/4 1,2,3,4 back in may for the darts?  Seems odd.  If so we got £10 on barney at 10/1 to win tonight effectively.

Kelly is a loser on the ante post RP naps table bet btw.  That finished on 30th December.  Hopeless effort by Kelly over the year.

I have just gone through most of the easy to calc/bigger ante post positions and their ev value is close to £3k.  plenty of the smaller bets i have just totally ignored in that calc.  The £3.9k figure is wrong as well.  Watford points have a £355 stake next to them should be zero effectively as there is no lose possible as they stand on 29 points already.  Similar to the championship points total of 57.5 (the team isn't mentioned).  This needs to be adjusted as it shows a false potential loss figure.  These two alone count for £500 of the ante post £3.9k totals alongside £350 of 'current' bets on the darts which will be settled today.  So the 'ante post' figure is close to £3k in reality and the EV of that £3k book is larger imo.  
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« Reply #111088 on: January 01, 2016, 01:39:11 PM »

The £3.9k figure is correct on the way we account it

on spreadbets we take the maximum loss at the time of placing (here 35.5 points at £10 a point) and leave it until settled. There is no mechanism to adjust to the current bid-offer through the life of the bet on a static spreadsheet 
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« Reply #111089 on: January 01, 2016, 01:40:51 PM »

The £3.9k figure is correct on the way we account it

on spreadbets we take the maximum loss at the time of placing (here 35.5 points at £10 a point) and leave it until settled. There is no mechanism to adjust to the current bid-offer through the life of the bet on a static spreadsheet 

Ok.  It is overly prudent though.  Didn't realise you couldn't adjust it.  Gives a misleading figure of how much is tied up.  As long as everyone realises this there isn't a problem.
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