Arsenal FC a very promising story

[tikay]

Somehow I can just sense Plump Percy's fat fingers typing furiously......

Know what the lotto numbers will be on Wednesday?

Easiest prediction ever.

My worry is Archer, who is (usually) so logical, in fact I asked him to marry me once, as he is a rare example of someone who thinks & writes logically, rather like Tighty or Doobs.

He's gone a bit weird lately though, & got on the haters bandwagon, which is sad to see.

Anyway, the wedding is off, I'll make a play for Tighty or Doobs instead.  

Yes, I wish I could put myself across as well and nicely as Archer does, but my education doesn't stretch that far.....innit.

I'm sure he'll be along soon.....

You can bet on that, for sure.

Bet he does not go on the Liverpool thread & congratulate them on their fine start & 4-0 win though......

[nirvana]

It's not far off a crisis. Say a FTSE 100 starts the year with a profit target of x and it's not cyclical. If it's down 2/3rd in month 1 with no prospect of a recovery in Q1 since their best salesman don't have any skin in the game, some others have left, and the rest are disaffected, ima fire that CEO and a few board members

[Graham C]

It's not a crisis in that getting relegated would be a crisis, but it is in terms of we should be competing for the league and we're a million miles off being able to do that at the moment.     The FA Cup is a comp where teams put our their reserves until the later rounds. We were fortunate enough to play two non league teams fairly late on in the competition.

We did improve a bit from April onwards, but that's having lost to West Brom, Crystal Palace, Watford and two terrible performances against Bayern Munich in the previous month or two effectively putting an end to our season.  We also lost to Liverpool and Chelsea of course but perhaps those could be expected - we don't win against the top 6 teams in the league.

Sitting Lacazette on the bench for the Liverpool game was bonkers.  I'm sure he has a reason but I'd love to know why our record signing brought in to score goals wasn't given the chance to play.

You can bet your life Pep will be under pressure if he fails to deliver a league title.  They've spent over £300m this transfer window to do so.

So they get zero credit for beating Chelsea & Manchester in the Semi & Final & taking the cup home for the 3rd year in 4?

Not zero credit, it's a  nice cup to win.  Out of the four main trophies we would have had as goals at the start of the season, it would have been third in the list, behind the goal of qualifying for the CL again.      It's a step up from the Community Shield we've just won.   I'd rather win it than lose but it doesn't mean a great deal by itself.

[Graham C]

Do you think Wigan had a good season the year they won the FA Cup?

[tikay]

Do you think Wigan had a good season the year they won the FA Cup?

I've no idea, but I take your point.

My point is it would be nice to see a bit more balance and honesty & a bit less running round shouting "crisis", and "let's fire the Manager because that always solves everything, just ask Man U & a dozen other Clubs".
 

[tikay]

Uh-Oh, I'm in trouble - Uncle Adzy reply incoming.

Think I'd best log off for the afternoon.

 

[BigAdz]

Arsenal are great for the blonde post count - one unlucky defeat, in a game they utterly dominated, & it generated 3 pages of posts. Over in North London, Spurs got turned over at home & it barely generated comment, then the Man City team, which cost sixty squillion dropped a point at home to Everton & barely a word is said.

Arsenal play Liverpool on Sunday. Lose that, & blonde will have a record month for post count.

Win win.

Well maybe not a "record month", but the second consecutive defeat generated over 150 posts. The defeat to Stoke, as most neutrals would attest, was a game Arsenal dominated, the defeat to Liverpool was a real shocker, no excuses. So, whatever way we look at it, 2 consecutive defeats. They are home to Bournemouth next, lose that & blonde will explode.

Amazing how we love to finger point & celebrate failure, but ignore success. We are selective, too. Man City lost two on the bounce last December (1 of which was at home) & nobody said a word, the media was not full of "OMG, OMG, CRISIS" stuff.  The Man City boys are very noisy right now over Sanchez, of course. Why? Because, for once, waving their fat chequebook failed. They are not used to that.

A 4-0 defeat generated 150 posts on the Arsenal thread, but the 4-0 win did not get a single mention on the Liverpool thread. There's a thing. It seems we really do prefer to celebrate failure, & follow the media hype.

Lets be honest. this is a load of old bollocks.

Firstly. I don't give a shit about the other teams threads, I rarely visit them, as i don't watch them and understand the nuances and issues they have. It is up to them what they moan about or celebrate

Your post refers to this thread, and i/we have celebrated several victories, most notablly the FA Cup win last season. So that's that one put to bed.

We covered our spectacular run at the end of last season, the same as the last few seasons, when all the main business has been sorted and we take advantage of everyone else being on auto pilot and try to salvage another wasted set of opportunities in the managerial merry go round.


You never seem to address the more stuble stuff Tikay, like, as GC said, and I said a while back.

Why does he leave Lacazette on the bench?
Why make stupid bids that are accepted, then pull out.
Why say someone is not for sale under any circs and then sell them
Why does he let all our top boys contracts run out so their value to us is now zero in the Xfer market, when for years it all been about making money.

Come on old chap, stop having a pop at those of us with lucid reasons for being "haters" and put us right......this isn't knee jerk for some of us, we have been saying the same thing for years, much like the results...

The floor is all yours.

[77dave]

Maybe there are other reasons the Liverpool thread got no posts after a 4-0 win
Reasons why some of blondes oldest members don't post on the forum anymore but let's ignore all that

Personally I'm really happy with the signing of the OX

[muckthenuts]

http://news.arseblog.com/2017/09/revealed-arsenals-crazy-summer-business-and-how-it-all-went-down/

Enjoy!

[tikay]

Maybe there are other reasons the Liverpool thread got no posts after a 4-0 win
Reasons why some of blondes oldest members don't post on the forum anymore but let's ignore all that

Personally I'm really happy with the signing of the OX

That was then, this is now, & I'd like to think things have changed for the better.

It takes a little effort on all sides to mend bridges, & there's no reason not to post on that thread now. 

[Archer]

List of things Arsene Knows Best:

1. How to get dominated by every team and manager inside the top 6

2. How to leave contract renewals until the final year

3. How to faff about in transfer windows

4. How to get absolutely nowhere with his own self championed British core

It's not just the Big 6    

After the Big 6 you can extend it to Everton, Southampton and Stoke who have been the next most "successful" teams in the PL in terms of points accumulation for the 5 seasons from 12/13-16/17. Arsenal's away record against these 8 clubs for the same period has been woeful - just 6 wins in 40 games. Add the Stoke and Liverpool results this season into the mix and it is 6 wins from 42 games and a point average of just 0.74pts per game.  Hmm, not woeful it is spectacularly bad.

Unfortunately for Arsenal they have been dealt a poor hand in terms of away fixtures this season - 3 out of their next 4 away games are against Chelsea, Everton and City. So, if the poor run (that has now lasted over 5 years) should continue over the next few away games,  the "crisis" is all set to continue.

Then,  as you say, there is the contract situation. The turnover in players in the next 2 years is huge. And very, very expensive...

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[arbboy]

There was a stat flying around last season about Arsenal.  Pretty sure i posted it on here and it backs up the flat track bully argument and also proves what Archer says that it isn't just the top 6 they struggle with.

Anytime Arsenal have been 4/6 or bigger for a league game (basically at home to the top 6 or away to the top 10/12 roughly speaking) in the last few seasons they had won some incredibly low % of games and if you had backed them blind you would pretty much be busto by now.

[tikay]

Arsenal are great for the blonde post count - one unlucky defeat, in a game they utterly dominated, & it generated 3 pages of posts. Over in North London, Spurs got turned over at home & it barely generated comment, then the Man City team, which cost sixty squillion dropped a point at home to Everton & barely a word is said.

Arsenal play Liverpool on Sunday. Lose that, & blonde will have a record month for post count.

Win win.

Well maybe not a "record month", but the second consecutive defeat generated over 150 posts. The defeat to Stoke, as most neutrals would attest, was a game Arsenal dominated, the defeat to Liverpool was a real shocker, no excuses. So, whatever way we look at it, 2 consecutive defeats. They are home to Bournemouth next, lose that & blonde will explode.

Amazing how we love to finger point & celebrate failure, but ignore success. We are selective, too. Man City lost two on the bounce last December (1 of which was at home) & nobody said a word, the media was not full of "OMG, OMG, CRISIS" stuff.  The Man City boys are very noisy right now over Sanchez, of course. Why? Because, for once, waving their fat chequebook failed. They are not used to that.

A 4-0 defeat generated 150 posts on the Arsenal thread, but the 4-0 win did not get a single mention on the Liverpool thread. There's a thing. It seems we really do prefer to celebrate failure, & follow the media hype.

Lets be honest. this is a load of old bollocks.

Firstly. I don't give a shit about the other teams threads, I rarely visit them, as i don't watch them and understand the nuances and issues they have. It is up to them what they moan about or celebrate

Your post refers to this thread, and i/we have celebrated several victories, most notablly the FA Cup win last season. So that's that one put to bed.

We covered our spectacular run at the end of last season, the same as the last few seasons, when all the main business has been sorted and we take advantage of everyone else being on auto pilot and try to salvage another wasted set of opportunities in the managerial merry go round.


You never seem to address the more stuble stuff Tikay, like, as GC said, and I said a while back.

Why does he leave Lacazette on the bench?
Why make stupid bids that are accepted, then pull out.
Why say someone is not for sale under any circs and then sell them
Why does he let all our top boys contracts run out so their value to us is now zero in the Xfer market, when for years it all been about making money.

Come on old chap, stop having a pop at those of us with lucid reasons for being "haters" and put us right......this isn't knee jerk for some of us, we have been saying the same thing for years, much like the results...

The floor is all yours.

"load of old bollocks"? If you wish. It was my genuine opinion actually, & I hoped we could debate constructively.


"Why does he leave Lacazette on the bench?"

I don't have the faintest idea. Chances are, as AW is an experienced Premier League Manager, & arguably a very good one in his prime, he had good reason. Think it would not be sensible to suggest that we, sitting in our nice comfy armchair in front of the telly, & in our ignorance of the facts & reasons, know better than an experienced Manager. He must have had good reason to make that decision, & it may well have been wrong. It's very easy for us to second guess everything through the rear view mirror though.


"Why make stupid bids that are accepted, then pull out".

What factual evidence do we have, in the domain, of all this? The overwhelming probability of what happened is that Arsenal said to Man City that morning "look, heads up guys so we can all get the medicals & documents organised, we'll accept £60 mill (or whatever the number was) for Sanchez, but it's conditional on us getting our man Lemar. No Lemar, & we can't do the deal, OK?".

If that was a dumb thing to say, then City should have ignored it.

I'm only guessing of course, as are you, but that would make perfect sense.

We saw evidence on this thread a few days ago of a call from Kroenke at 10am, but as soon as it was challenged they backtracked. Because they were guessing & had no factual evidence. Doubt we'll ever know the facts, but it's unlikely it was a "stupid bid".


"Why say someone is not for sale under any circs and then sell them"

No idea. Maybe circumstances changed, or other parties changed their stance? It does happen you know. Maybe negotiating ploys came into it. None of us can make that call without the info the Club has.


Why does he let all our top boys contracts run out so their value to us is now zero in the Xfer market, when for years it all been about making money.

A classic case of damned if he does, & damned if he does not. Whatever he did about Sanchez he was gonna get battered.

I'd not swap Arsenal's financial prudency with any other EPL Club though. And that's largely down to a bunch of wise heads, one of whom is AW.

Can't imagine anyone in their right mind would prefer Chelsea or Man City's accounting principles or source of funds to those of Arsenal.  

[tikay]

List of things Arsene Knows Best:

1. How to get dominated by every team and manager inside the top 6

2. How to leave contract renewals until the final year

3. How to faff about in transfer windows

4. How to get absolutely nowhere with his own self championed British core

It's not just the Big 6    

After the Big 6 you can extend it to Everton, Southampton and Stoke who have been the next most "successful" teams in the PL in terms of points accumulation for the 5 seasons from 12/13-16/17. Arsenal's away record against these 8 clubs for the same period has been woeful - just 6 wins in 40 games. Add the Stoke and Liverpool results this season into the mix and it is 6 wins from 42 games and a point average of just 0.74pts per game.  Hmm, not woeful it is spectacularly bad.

Unfortunately for Arsenal they have been dealt a poor hand in terms of away fixtures this season - 3 out of their next 4 away games are against Chelsea, Everton and City. So, if the poor run (that has now lasted over 5 years) should continue over the next few away games,  the "crisis" is all set to continue.

Then,  as you say, there is the contract situation. The turnover in players in the next 2 years is huge. And very, very expensive...

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A Man City fan telling another team how to manage their finances?

Yikes, the wedding is 100% off.

[tikay]

Lordy Lordy, Camel itt now.

That's it, I'm outa here.