Arsenal FC a very promising story

[BigAdz]

Nice one horsey. I think I felt the same in 2008.

We are six years later my friend. How long should the man be given? Another six? You tell me, cos no one ever answers that one?

Keep digging if your trying to find some evidence that you think will

a, make me change my mind

b, feel bad/stupid about thinking the way I do.

I do not have a view either way tbh can certainly see why he annoys some arsenal fans

No idea why you are getting so annoyed either tbh obviously missed the Wenger mickey takes i posted on fred fairly regular last year or so

Certainly not annoyed. Its quite nice for people to actually sit and read my thoughts on it and let me have a discussion on the subject.

[arbboy]

The greatest thing he did was change the culture at arsenal which was all about drinking/drug taking and gambling pre AW and contributed to taking english football out of the dark ages into the modern athletes who now play the game.

This, I agree with, still isn't worth 8 trophyless years though!

Adz is just enjoying his moaning as they are weighed in in the FA cup and he won't be able to moan about this any longer in 8 weeks and will have to find something else to moan about.

[Karabiner]

Is there a case that Wenger has built his reputation through the luck of being in the right place at the right time?

He arrived at the time French football was the envy of the world and everyone was watching their national side start to dominate. He had a club built on solid foundations with a rock solid defensive unit, strong leadership through the pitch and an excellent striker. He brought in some of France's biggest talents to complement the squad and won trophies playing French football.

After his squad got old, he found French speaking talents to come in and do a good job, but they weren't of the same ilk. He then struggled to keep some of the other talents he'd recruited and his belligerent refusal to change his ways and buy big, rather than buying young and cheap meant he could only really be looking at finishing second in the league and having a run at the cups. He found some real talents but bought a lot of dross and the French recruits didn't meet up to the standard he was getting ten years before.

He's been kept in a job because the board love how he doesn't spend their money but still gets in the Champions League. The fans are broadly happy because you keep finishing above spurs.

Not really my view but I think there is some element of truth to it, insofar as he was brilliant at recruiting in the late nineties and there haven't been many of that level in the last few years.

Good try young sir, and a very Happy Birthday to you too Simon but:

Have you not conveniently forgotten the move to a new state-of-the-art stadium in your theory and all of the associated limited budget over the immediate five or six years since the move that goes hand in hand with paying off the greater part of the debt that goes along with that?

Should the man not be given a chance to be judged on how he takes the club forward with the new greater self-generated spending power that he has been hugely instrumental in creating rather than the one that he had available during those restricted years, or should he tamely hand this larger budget over to some unproven johnny-come-lately such as AVB?

[redarmi]

Nice one horsey. I think I felt the same in 2008.

We are six years later my friend. How long should the man be given? Another six? You tell me, cos no one ever answers that one?

Keep digging if your trying to find some evidence that you think will

a, make me change my mind

b, feel bad/stupid about thinking the way I do.

If he ran my club he would get a contract for as long as he wanted it.  You have to be careful what you wish for in this game.  I'll have a side bet with you if you like.  I will bet that the next manager wins less than Wenger does from this day forward until he leaves.  A win will be counted as any trophy and qualifying for the CL so, for example, if Wenger leaves in 3 years and qualifies for the CL every year and wins the FA Cup and League Cup then he scores 5.  The next manager would then have to beat that.  You have on your side that the next manager will almost certainly spend more money.  I have on my side that my horse is Arsene Wenger.  Nothing too crazy as blonde might not be here by the time the bet is settled but a couple of hundred would be fine.

[Tal]

Is there a case that Wenger has built his reputation through the luck of being in the right place at the right time?

He arrived at the time French football was the envy of the world and everyone was watching their national side start to dominate. He had a club built on solid foundations with a rock solid defensive unit, strong leadership through the pitch and an excellent striker. He brought in some of France's biggest talents to complement the squad and won trophies playing French football.

After his squad got old, he found French speaking talents to come in and do a good job, but they weren't of the same ilk. He then struggled to keep some of the other talents he'd recruited and his belligerent refusal to change his ways and buy big, rather than buying young and cheap meant he could only really be looking at finishing second in the league and having a run at the cups. He found some real talents but bought a lot of dross and the French recruits didn't meet up to the standard he was getting ten years before.

He's been kept in a job because the board love how he doesn't spend their money but still gets in the Champions League. The fans are broadly happy because you keep finishing above spurs.

Not really my view but I think there is some element of truth to it, insofar as he was brilliant at recruiting in the late nineties and there haven't been many of that level in the last few years.

Good try young sir, and a very Happy Birthday to you too Simon but:

Have you not conveniently forgotten the move to a new state-of-the-art stadium in your theory and all of the associated limited budget over the immediate five or six years since the move that goes hand in hand with paying off the greater part of the debt that goes along with that?

Should the man not be given a chance to be judged on how he takes the club forward with the new greater self-generated spending power that he has been hugely instrumental in creating rather than the one that he had available during those restricted years, or should he tamely hand this larger budget over to some unproven johnny-come-lately such as AVB?

He's been pretty immense for your boys. No spurs fan worth their salt would suggest he's been a failure or a poor manager (granted, they might say other things about him, but we are above that). Same for Henry.

That was a theory I heard once on a football phone-in that amused me, so I thought I'd share it. Felt like I was helping.

I will say that 8 years for your club without winning anything is not good enough. No argument about spending or priorities can cut it IMO. You've lost stupid games in stupid ways in cup comps and lower sides with tiny budgets have had to order Brasso more than your boys in the last eight years.

[BigAdz]

I have 15/8 to finish Top 3
 
I have a decent bet at 7/2 to win a trophy this year

I also have a moderate bet at 11-1 to win the title.

I support my team.

I even agree that any successor to AW would struggle to emulate his achievements. My point all along is that he could have done so much better and the STILL unanswered and avoided question by nearly all you clever people(and Ralph) is HOW LONG do you give him? For me his time is up, but by Christ I shall still cheer the lads on, and hope he keeps his job by the default of their efforts.

Red gives him an open contract. I suspect he doesn't support a Top five/six team....all about standards and what you're used to/expect in life.

[arbboy]

I have 15/8 to finish Top 3
 
I have a decent bet at 7/2 to win a trophy this year

I also have a moderate bet at 11-1 to win the title.

I support my team.

I even agree that any successor to AW would struggle to emulate his achievements. My point all along is that he could have done so much better and the STILL unanswered and avoided question by nearly all you clever people(and Ralph) is HOW LONG do you give him? For me his time is up, but by Christ I shall still cheer the lads on, and hope he keeps his job by the default of their efforts.

Red gives him an open contract. I suspect he doesn't support a Top five/six team....all about standards and what you're used to/expect in life.

So his time is up?  What happens if you win tomorrow, go on to win the league and cup double this season which is only a 20/1 shot what happens then? Should he still go or will it be results orientated?

[Karabiner]

Betting on something does not count as supporting to us daft lads.

[BigAdz]

Of course its results orientated.

All I have ever said is that if he spent the money we could be where I think we could be. I  said earlier, I was happy with him 8 years ago, my issue is that what we have at the moment isn't working and yet nothing changes, so how long does he get, which you again have skipped.

I could be dead next year, so if he spends and we get success, I'm a happy bunny.

[BigAdz]

Betting on something does not count as supporting to us daft lads.

Is that the best you got Ralph?

Born in London to a Grandfather and Father both life long Arsenal fans, I have been supporting them long long before I could bet.

You keep having a pop at me yet you have never once answered the question of when you think enough is enough, and a valid measurement.

[arbboy]

Of course its results orientated.

All I have ever said is that if he spent the money we could be where I think we could be. I  said earlier, I was happy with him 8 years ago, my issue is that what we have at the moment isn't working and yet nothing changes, so how long does he get, which you again have skipped.

I could be dead next year, so if he spends and we get success, I'm a happy bunny.

What if you just get really lucky in the next 8 games and win the league even though u haven't spent a penny like you would want?  You luck box 4 1-0 wins over your rivals and win the league by one point and the cup double as well on pens after playing terribly in the final.  AW still hasn't done anything you wanted him to do but he is now the greatest thing since sliced bread because u got lucky in 4 games and sneaked a 1-0 win and won the cup on pens after playing terribly.  Hard to take you seriously if you really are this results orientated over a sample of 8 games where anything can happen.

[Karabiner]

Betting on something does not count as supporting to us daft lads.

Is that the best you got Ralph?

Born in London to a Grandfather and Father both life long Arsenal fans, I have been supporting them long long before I could bet.

You keep having a pop at me yet you have never once answered the question of when you think enough is enough, and a valid measurement.

If I was "having a pop" at anything it was at your bets being produced as evidence of your support, one of the daftest things I've seen for a long time.

If you had read my previous post you would realise that enough will be enough IMHO when AW has had the chance to reap the fruits of his labours by investing the new revenue in the team over the next couple of years of his contract extension.

Anyway I think that's enough of your level six pre-emptive strike in anticipation of us being done over by the chelski mob tomorrow so that you can tell us how you saw it all coming.

[arbboy]

As for how long he gets?  As long as Arsenal stay in the top 3/4 every season i would say Arsenal are reaching their expected position every year.  Arsenal are not supposed to finish in the two 2 in any given season please accept that even though you only see things through biased glasses.  If they fell outside of the top 4 i would imagine that would probably be time to say goodbye.  The bottom line this has never been likely to happen during his tenure hence why he is still there.

[Tal]

Of course its results orientated.

All I have ever said is that if he spent the money we could be where I think we could be. I  said earlier, I was happy with him 8 years ago, my issue is that what we have at the moment isn't working and yet nothing changes, so how long does he get, which you again have skipped.

I could be dead next year, so if he spends and we get success, I'm a happy bunny.

What if you just get really lucky in the next 8 games and win the league even though u haven't spent a penny like you would want?  You luck box 4 1-0 wins over your rivals and win the league by one point and the cup double as well on pens after playing terribly in the final.  AW still hasn't done anything you wanted him to do but he is now the greatest thing since sliced bread because u got lucky in 4 games and sneaked a 1-0 win and won the cup on pens after playing terribly.  Hard to take you seriously if you really are this results orientated over a sample of 8 games where anything can happen.

Lol arbboy, as much as I enjoy anyone taking apart an ars*nal fan, you've basically just accused Adz of being a football fan.

Win the league and you're the greatest manager ever; lose in the last minute to a moment of madness and you're a donkey. That's football and why the situation at the Emirates is so unusual.

[arbboy]

Of course its results orientated.

All I have ever said is that if he spent the money we could be where I think we could be. I  said earlier, I was happy with him 8 years ago, my issue is that what we have at the moment isn't working and yet nothing changes, so how long does he get, which you again have skipped.

I could be dead next year, so if he spends and we get success, I'm a happy bunny.

What if you just get really lucky in the next 8 games and win the league even though u haven't spent a penny like you would want?  You luck box 4 1-0 wins over your rivals and win the league by one point and the cup double as well on pens after playing terribly in the final.  AW still hasn't done anything you wanted him to do but he is now the greatest thing since sliced bread because u got lucky in 4 games and sneaked a 1-0 win and won the cup on pens after playing terribly.  Hard to take you seriously if you really are this results orientated over a sample of 8 games where anything can happen.

Lol arbboy, as much as I enjoy anyone taking apart an ars*nal fan, you've basically just accused Adz of being a football fan.

Win the league and you're the greatest manager ever; lose in the last minute to a moment of madness and you're a donkey. That's football and why the situation at the Emirates is so unusual.

like to think the people who post on here are slightly more 'bigger picture' than your average football fan maybe that's just wishful thinking.  There are a lot of smart cookies on here.