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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2012, 04:45:56 AM »

I use my handshake like the kiss of death, when i offer it i want the person dead.

Ah! Now this is an interesting concept. Would you care to elaborate?

When did you last use it and why?

What happened?

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« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2012, 08:57:53 AM »

Handshakes are pretty meh. When I bust I say "gl everyone" and have a few extra words with mates/regs. If I shake the persons hand who busts me it is only because I have something nasty on my hands Smiley
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« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2012, 09:30:46 AM »

only time you should ever shake somebodies hand is if you beat them HU and the tournament is over, or if you have a heated argument on the table and realise you have both gone too far.

imo.

This.

Plus if you have done a 3 or 4 way deal too.
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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2012, 09:34:33 AM »

I just can't agree with the notion that there has to be a special set of circumstances in order to shake hands.





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« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2012, 09:49:07 AM »

You & me are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one of us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.
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« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2012, 09:55:45 AM »

5 pages on handshakes? Quality.

Gentlemanly gesture, but being gentlemanly includes acting in a way which doesn't make others feel awkward. Therefore, I always judge the villain's reaction. If s/he throws the chair over, punches the dealer and tells the valet where to put her latte, I'll prob GIQ.

If it's amicable and we have a short period of eye contact post-river, I'll very often offer my hand.

Still a game to me. I've travelled to get there, spent my hard-earned cash and am sure as sugar going to do what I can to have fun. That often involves leaving as few people wanting me dead as possible. I want people to think I'm a nice guy and shaking hands reinforces the "does it really matter?" mentality.

I don't take offence if someone doesn't want to - and I won't always offer if it's a little awkward to do so: a smile and a kind word works just as well for some.

If it's me on the receiving end, I'd generally wish everyone luck and shake chappie's/chappess's hand on my way to the exit. Again, judging the situation.
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« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2012, 09:57:10 AM »

You & I are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one is us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.

FYP.
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« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2012, 09:58:21 AM »


Pretty much that. Poker is just a game for 99% of us, one that we intend to enjoy. Those that enjoy it ARE the winners.

I really do think some poker players take the game a tad too seriously. It's not like they make a living at it, it's their hobby! 
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« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2012, 10:03:52 AM »

You & me are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one is us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.

I think you are massively missing my point.

I shake hands in all the situations you do and agree with almost every point you make.

However, when I have just been busted out of a poker tournament I do not think a handshake is appropriate.

At any other time I'll shake anyone's hand, at that precise moment I want to be anywhere in the world apart from at that poker table lingering around like a bad smell.

I just want to gt my shit together and GTFO.

It's a precise moment when the winner, if he has an ounce of compassion will let the loser do exactly what he wants.
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« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2012, 10:06:48 AM »

You & me are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one is us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.

I think you are massively missing my point.

I shake hands in all the situations you do and agree with almost every point you make.

However, when I have just been busted out of a poker tournament I do not think a handshake is appropriate.

At any other time I'll shake anyone's hand, at that precise moment I want to be anywhere in the world apart from at that poker table lingering around like a bad smell.

I just want to gt my shit together and GTFO.

It's a precise moment when the winner, if he has an ounce of compassion will let the loser do exactly what he wants.


Fair comment, yes, though I don't really think a poker Tourney is life or death, as it's recreational to me, so busting out does not mean a thing in my case. I accept that it is different for a Pro player. 
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« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2012, 10:07:48 AM »

Surely the difference in opinion here comes from people who play poker primarily for fun and those who play primarily for a living?

In the former context I think people who refuse to shake hands are in the wrong, and in the latter those who insist on it are in the wrong.

As to the 'sorry' debate, I totally disagree that it's always false. I've made some horrific calls and sucked out on someone and said 'sorry about that mate' and truly meant it. I made a mistake and got lucky. I've been in that other guy's shoes and know how shitty it feels. I'm glad I'm still in the tournament, but I do have some human empathy and am able to feel simultaneously bad for someone else and pleased for myself.
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« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2012, 10:09:49 AM »

Surely the difference in opinion here comes from people who play poker primarily for fun and those who play primarily for a living?

In the former context I think people who refuse to shake hands are in the wrong, and in the latter those who insist on it are in the wrong.

As to the 'sorry' debate, I totally disagree that it's always false. I've made some horrific calls and sucked out on someone and said 'sorry about that mate' and truly meant it. I made a mistake and got lucky. I've been in that other guy's shoes and know how shitty it feels. I'm glad I'm still in the tournament, but I do have some human empathy and am able to feel simultaneously bad for someone else and pleased for myself.

Agree with every word of that Alun. To be fair, how many are "pros" in the company we keep at, say, DTD, or Fox. 1%?

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« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2012, 10:10:11 AM »

You & me are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one is us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.

I think you are massively missing my point.

I shake hands in all the situations you do and agree with almost every point you make.

However, when I have just been busted out of a poker tournament I do not think a handshake is appropriate.

At any other time I'll shake anyone's hand, at that precise moment I want to be anywhere in the world apart from at that poker table lingering around like a bad smell.

I just want to gt my shit together and GTFO.

It's a precise moment when the winner, if he has an ounce of compassion will let the loser do exactly what he wants.


Fair comment, yes, though I don't really think a poker Tourney is life or death, as it's recreational to me, so busting out does not mean a thing in my case. I accept that it is different for a Pro player. 

BTW I'm only talking about big tournaments, WSOP or EPTs stuff like that, which really I get really emotionally involved in.

A £50er at DTD or a tenner rebuy at my local casino is totally different.
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« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2012, 10:12:32 AM »

You & me are SO out of touch with the way things are these days Tom.

To me, a handshake says & does SO many things. We meet someone for the first time, we shake hands, footballers, & most sportsmen, do it before a game, & often after it, too, we say "bye" to many by a ritual handshake, it is a universal but unspoken language to those that subscribe to it.

And a 2 or 3 second handshake says more - a lot more - than a whole bunch of words.

A limp handshake with no eye contact says one thing, a firm handshake, with a bit of linger, & good eye contact, says something completely different.

I'm afraid I am inclined to judge books by covers rather more than I should. I met a guy in Vegas this year, never met him before, & we had one of these "telling" handshakes. And we both noticed it immediately. I was pretty busy at the time, & needed to get on with my work, but the handshake explained everything, & we were cool. 

Rather a shame that these unspoken nuances, & behavioural tics, seem to count for less & less these days.

It had truly never occurred to me that when I shake a players hand after one is us busts the other, it could be construed as an insult. I don't always do it, but I do more often that not, & if I don't shake hands, I do the tactile thing somehow. Body language is the greatest thing. Or I thought it was. I often shake hands with players at my table before play starts, too, whyever not?

I was at DTD on Friday, there were 100 poker players there, & I bet I shook hands with 30 or 40 of them before play began. Peeps come up to me, or me to them, outstretched hand. What are we supposed to do, say "bugger off, I'm trying to focus"?

It's what people do, we don't need a reason, it's "hi mate, hope all is good". There is a reason when we DONT shake hands though......

I keep saying it, but I understand life, & people, less & less.

I think you are massively missing my point.

I shake hands in all the situations you do and agree with almost every point you make.

However, when I have just been busted out of a poker tournament I do not think a handshake is appropriate.

At any other time I'll shake anyone's hand, at that precise moment I want to be anywhere in the world apart from at that poker table lingering around like a bad smell.

I just want to gt my shit together and GTFO.

It's a precise moment when the winner, if he has an ounce of compassion will let the loser do exactly what he wants.


Fair comment, yes, though I don't really think a poker Tourney is life or death, as it's recreational to me, so busting out does not mean a thing in my case. I accept that it is different for a Pro player. 

BTW I'm only talking about big tournaments, WSOP or EPTs stuff like that, which really I get really emotionally involved in.

A £50er at DTD or a tenner rebuy at my local casino is totally different.

Well, EXACTLY.

The thread is populated almost entirely with recreational players, almost all of them playing £50 jobbies & the like, exactly as the OP does. How many Pros in this thread? 2? 3 if we include nirvana, obv.

Pro players, pro circuit, yes of course, entirely different.
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« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2012, 10:13:30 AM »

Surely the difference in opinion here comes from people who play poker primarily for fun and those who play primarily for a living?

In the former context I think people who refuse to shake hands are in the wrong, and in the latter those who insist on it are in the wrong.

As to the 'sorry' debate, I totally disagree that it's always false. I've made some horrific calls and sucked out on someone and said 'sorry about that mate' and truly meant it. I made a mistake and got lucky. I've been in that other guy's shoes and know how shitty it feels. I'm glad I'm still in the tournament, but I do have some human empathy and am able to feel simultaneously bad for someone else and pleased for myself.

But do you not see how you saying "sorry" just rubs it in and makes it worse?

If you really feel empathy you'll shut up and get on with the next hand.
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