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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2012, 02:40:18 AM »

I'm saying the structure is ruined because things don't move as fluently as they should. No point having a great structure in place if things are going to move slowly. Disagree that amount of dealer mistakes will go up. All you have to do is count chips if there is lots of them, rather than breaking chips with two different players for sidepots, chips everywhere blergh.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2012, 06:48:09 AM »

I'm saying the structure is ruined because things don't move as fluently as they should. No point having a great structure in place if things are going to move slowly. Disagree that amount of dealer mistakes will go up. All you have to do is count chips if there is lots of them, rather than breaking chips with two different players for sidepots, chips everywhere blergh.

I dint know how many hours it takes to get dealers 'competent' as a standard, but I know it took me a while in 'self deal' tournies to get the hang of it.

Just ask the 'silly person' betting with their 25's to kindly change up with the person next to them.

more tournaments with PILES of chis please, I've not been able to play these 'chipleader' comps but I would hope that if I turned up with 800bb's I would have a stack that an unnamed omni-present being would be proud of.

I assume there is a good reason for it, but why can't we all have towers of chips?Huh??
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2012, 07:24:55 AM »

I'm saying the structure is ruined because things don't move as fluently as they should. No point having a great structure in place if things are going to move slowly. Disagree that amount of dealer mistakes will go up. All you have to do is count chips if there is lots of them, rather than breaking chips with two different players for sidepots, chips everywhere blergh.

I dint know how many hours it takes to get dealers 'competent' as a standard, but I know it took me a while in 'self deal' tournies to get the hang of it.

Just ask the 'silly person' betting with their 25's to kindly change up with the person next to them.

more tournaments with PILES of chis please, I've not been able to play these 'chipleader' comps but I would hope that if I turned up with 800bb's I would have a stack that an unnamed omni-present being would be proud of.

I assume there is a good reason for it, but why can't we all have towers of chips?Huh??

I would imagine that players hoarding phallic-like structures of mini-denom chips slow the game down just as much as not having enough small denom chips. When a kid has 6 stacks of 25's all piled higgly-piggeldy & goes all-in, it is a dealers nightmare, not to mention that it eats up the clock for other players, so is pretty selfish.

The "silly person" betting in 25's? Some might think that hoarding mountainous towers of chips for purposes of ego & delusion is equally silly.

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2012, 07:35:05 AM »

I'm saying the structure is ruined because things don't move as fluently as they should. No point having a great structure in place if things are going to move slowly. Disagree that amount of dealer mistakes will go up. All you have to do is count chips if there is lots of them, rather than breaking chips with two different players for sidepots, chips everywhere blergh.

I still disagree with your choice of adjective. Ruined? The chip denoms can RUIN a Tourney structure?

Are there not 20 or more other things that impact our enjoyment of a poker tourney, for better or worse?

I'm not having a pop at you, I just find it extraordinary how intolerant we have become in the poker world. 2 x 100 instead of 8 x 25 & our Tourney is ruined? Meanwhile, some lads are deliberately hoarding the small denoms just so they can make a pretty pile. Where's the sense in that?!

As you know, I've worked for an Online Room for 6 years now, so I DO know how intolerant poker players are of even the slightest perceived imperfection. I promise you this - if you could see my daily PM inbox you'd proper faint, honest, you would!

I'd like a quid for every time I see or hear it tilts me so hard, or one of it's 54 variants.

Can we not shrug our shoulders & overlook these trivial things, do we HAVE to let them ruin our day?

Beware the real world, outside our little poker bubble. There's proper tilt out there man.

EDIT - I think the point I'm trying to make, badly as per, is that Live Poker, especially at DTD, must be pretty well organised if we can be irked by such a minor thing as chip denoms, or maybe we have become a little spoilt by just how good it is compared to pre-DTD days. Cast your mind back 5 or 6 years, jeez, Live Poker was SO badly organised. If a Tourney started within 45 minutes of the advertised time back then, we thought that was a bonus!

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2012, 08:55:49 AM »

Yep, agree with you Tikay. Chips are just a medium and your overall ambition is to collect every chip in play. Emotional attachment to how the small % of chips sitting in front of you look to others and feel to you is all pretty much of an irrelevance in that grand scheme of things. The number of chips you have at any given time is just a cold hard mathematical fact. If you introduce emotion into that relationship then it complicates things because when your stack takes a hit so do your emotions. People should learn to stop stroking their stacks because it doesn't mean anything, it's just counters.

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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2012, 09:29:41 AM »

Yep, agree with you Tikay. Chips are just a medium and your overall ambition is to collect every chip in play. Emotional attachment to how the small % of chips sitting in front of you look to others and feel to you is all pretty much of an irrelevance in that grand scheme of things. The number of chips you have at any given time is just a cold hard mathematical fact. If you introduce emotion into that relationship then it complicates things because when your stack takes a hit so do your emotions. People should learn to stop stroking their stacks because it doesn't mean anything, it's just counters.

Forward all your moaning e-mails to me and I will be happy to take care of them for you. It might cost you your job like, but happy to help.

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2012, 07:01:40 PM »

I'm saying the structure is ruined because things don't move as fluently as they should. No point having a great structure in place if things are going to move slowly. Disagree that amount of dealer mistakes will go up. All you have to do is count chips if there is lots of them, rather than breaking chips with two different players for sidepots, chips everywhere blergh.

I still disagree with your choice of adjective. Ruined? The chip denoms can RUIN a Tourney structure?

Are there not 20 or more other things that impact our enjoyment of a poker tourney, for better or worse?

I'm not having a pop at you, I just find it extraordinary how intolerant we have become in the poker world. 2 x 100 instead of 8 x 25 & our Tourney is ruined? Meanwhile, some lads are deliberately hoarding the small denoms just so they can make a pretty pile. Where's the sense in that?!

As you know, I've worked for an Online Room for 6 years now, so I DO know how intolerant poker players are of even the slightest perceived imperfection. I promise you this - if you could see my daily PM inbox you'd proper faint, honest, you would!

I'd like a quid for every time I see or hear it tilts me so hard, or one of it's 54 variants.

Can we not shrug our shoulders & overlook these trivial things, do we HAVE to let them ruin our day?

Beware the real world, outside our little poker bubble. There's proper tilt out there man.

EDIT - I think the point I'm trying to make, badly as per, is that Live Poker, especially at DTD, must be pretty well organised if we can be irked by such a minor thing as chip denoms, or maybe we have become a little spoilt by just how good it is compared to pre-DTD days. Cast your mind back 5 or 6 years, jeez, Live Poker was SO badly organised. If a Tourney started within 45 minutes of the advertised time back then, we thought that was a bonus!

Perhaps we have become spoiled.

Ruined wrong word then. Point still remains.

As a former dealer can promise you that big stacks are no problem to cut down in a matter of seconds, but changing chips up is ridiculous.

Also, I'm not saying chips shouldn't be coloured up as the tournament progresses. I'm not saying this because I like to have big deep stacks and look balla. My point is that a tournament never gets going if chips need to be broken down every single hand. Only the starting stack need be rectified.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2012, 07:06:55 PM »

Yep, agree with you Tikay. Chips are just a medium and your overall ambition is to collect every chip in play. Emotional attachment to how the small % of chips sitting in front of you look to others and feel to you is all pretty much of an irrelevance in that grand scheme of things. The number of chips you have at any given time is just a cold hard mathematical fact. If you introduce emotion into that relationship then it complicates things because when your stack takes a hit so do your emotions. People should learn to stop stroking their stacks because it doesn't mean anything, it's just counters.

Forward all your moaning e-mails to me and I will be happy to take care of them for you. It might cost you your job like, but happy to help.

Well done Mantis, your DiMaggio-like streak for missing the point completely is still alive and well. What I'm trying to do here is improve upon a great tournament, at what point did I mention emotion?

Of course the amount of chips in front of you is a "cold hard mathematical fact," but making a bet of 125 with a 5k chip and there being literally no player at the table who can break a 5k chip into denominations that allow a 125 point bet makes tournaments a "boring arduous mathematical process."
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2012, 09:24:58 PM »

my thoughts on Saturdays £150.00 dealers seemed to be all new and hands were taking longer and yeah think the chips stacks should be made more easier, ul with ur A7 pal, The cash was slow as well, new dealers learning i guess.
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2012, 03:30:16 AM »

Yep, agree with you Tikay. Chips are just a medium and your overall ambition is to collect every chip in play. Emotional attachment to how the small % of chips sitting in front of you look to others and feel to you is all pretty much of an irrelevance in that grand scheme of things. The number of chips you have at any given time is just a cold hard mathematical fact. If you introduce emotion into that relationship then it complicates things because when your stack takes a hit so do your emotions. People should learn to stop stroking their stacks because it doesn't mean anything, it's just counters.

Forward all your moaning e-mails to me and I will be happy to take care of them for you. It might cost you your job like, but happy to help.

Well done Mantis, your DiMaggio-like streak for missing the point completely is still alive and well. What I'm trying to do here is improve upon a great tournament, at what point did I mention emotion?

Of course the amount of chips in front of you is a "cold hard mathematical fact," but making a bet of 125 with a 5k chip and there being literally no player at the table who can break a 5k chip into denominations that allow a 125 point bet makes tournaments a "boring arduous mathematical process."

I don't think I have missed your point. Your point is it's tough to make a 125 bet out of a 5k chip if there's no change. I didn't respond to that point because it's obvious. I responded to Tikay's point about ego and delusion. That's why the post starts "I agree with you Tikay" and goes on to talk about ego and delusion. I'm sorry I didn't address your point in my post. For the record I agree it is tough to make a 125 bet out of a 5k chip if there's no change. Hope everything is sorted now.

At what point did you mention emotion? When you said the stack ruined your day.
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2012, 04:27:45 AM »

my thoughts on Saturdays £150.00 dealers seemed to be all new

Then they should be trained better/of a higher standard to start with.

If a dealer has to count a stack then the way that stack is made up should be irrelevant. If it's an issue then they shouldn't be dealing poker.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2012, 07:12:04 AM »


As a former dealer can promise you that big stacks are no problem to cut down in a matter of seconds, but changing chips up is ridiculous.


From experience you are correct here if the dealer is competent enough. The problem of delaying action imo isn't really with the dealer, it is with the knob player who has shed loads of chips in various denominations and wants to bet 700 in 25's and needs to count them themselves after a dwell up. Or even worse the chip hoarder who insists on collecting all the lowest denom chips ( i.e. bet is 325 and hoarder puts 400 in 100's to collect change) making the amount of low denom chips at the table irrelevant as players/dealers have to keep changing up with them.
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2012, 12:15:14 PM »

From experience you are correct here if the dealer is competent enough. The problem of delaying action imo isn't really with the dealer, it is with the knob player who has shed loads of chips in various denominations and wants to bet 700 in 25's and needs to count them themselves after a dwell up. Or even worse the chip hoarder who insists on collecting all the lowest denom chips ( i.e. bet is 325 and hoarder puts 400 in 100's to collect change) making the amount of low denom chips at the table irrelevant as players/dealers have to keep changing up with them.
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Yes you may be unlucky to come across an idiot on your table that behaves with poor table manners whether that be long unnecessary dwells, chip hoarding, smelling etc, etc. But thats poker. The real point being made that really doesnt need to be an issue is the time it takes on virtually EVERY hand (on every table) to change chips between players because there are not enough chips reasonably provided to play poker.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2014, 02:27:33 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2014, 02:49:54 PM »

what was the problem this weekend?

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