Woolwich shooting

[leethefish]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Given that at least one of them was not even a Muslim just a few years ago would it not be wise to undo the brain washing he has clearly fallen victim to rather than just kill him?

Quite simply

NO

Can either of you kill him then.  I don't want to and I wouldn't like to be in the position to ask another person to kill.

No worries I'll do it   

100% easy ....(in this instance)
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[The Camel]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorism#seen

It was a rhetorical question obviously.

[Woodsey]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorism#seen

It was a rhetorical question obviously.

Yeah I know, I was just being a cheeky twat  

[The Camel]

From the woman who talked to the murderer while he waited for the police to arrive:

"I was thinking, 'You're a madman. Why are you doing that for?'"

Really, I would be very very surprised if it turns out these guys are members of a terrorist organisation.

Two random nutters, not a threat to UK at all.

Lock them up in a secure hospital.

[pleno1]

On the complete flip side there are some amazing people in the world for good reasons

http://www.upworthy.com/this-kid-just-died-what-he-left-behind-is-wondtacular-rip?g=7&fb_source=timeline&ref=profile#_=_

Some of you might have read about it, seen it. 20min video, worth watching, puts life in perspective for sure, inspirational stuff

for sure. good vid.

[StuartHopkin]

From the woman who talked to the murderer while he waited for the police to arrive:

"I was thinking, 'You're a madman. Why are you doing that for?'"

Really, I would be very very surprised if it turns out these guys are members of a terrorist organisation.

Two random nutters, not a threat to UK at all.

Lock them up in a secure hospital.

Completely agree they are nutters, but I don't think they have done this because they were bored one afternoon.
Personally I think this has been planned by a man in a mosque who recruits said nutters, brainwashes and trains them to believe what they are doing is 100% the right thing to do.
That is what makes this a terrorist threat, no doubt the government can link these two back to a person who has links to extremist cells in London and abroad.

Or maybe i just read too many books.....

[bobAlike]

From the woman who talked to the murderer while he waited for the police to arrive:

"I was thinking, 'You're a madman. Why are you doing that for?'"

Really, I would be very very surprised if it turns out these guys are members of a terrorist organisation.

Two random nutters, not a threat to UK at all.

Lock them up in a secure hospital.

Random or not these two were known to the security services.

[redarmi]

Going back to Keiths question about defining terrorism I think this is absolutely terrorism.  Terrorism is less about the actual acts themselves as about affecting the whole population psychologically and affecting the freedom they feel to go about their lives in the usual way.  The IRA's great success was that at one point in their campaign almost everybody in England had had their daily routine affected by a bomb scare even if not by a bomb directly.  Similarly now there will be parents with kids that were planning on going to university in London this year that now don't want them to go because there are "terrorist nutters roaming the streets".  I consider myself to be a very rational person but not long after 7/7 I was on the tube and a couple of Asian kids got on carrying big backpacks and it made me nervous.  It is statistically illogical to be that way but that is the point of terror.  The actual impact of their crimes goes far beyond that of their direct victims they affect the entire population.

[DMorgan]

I think its fairly obvious given how quickly this was classed as a terror attack that the perpetrators are clearly known to intelligence officials.

Oh snap

http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/woolwich-suspects-known-to-security-services

[AndrewT]

These two are angry young men, lashing out against some perceived injustice.

These two guys
Brevik fella in Norway
EDL twats
The guy in America who shot up the cinema showing the Batman film.

A lot of men get riled up by some aspect of the modern world - we've seen a few of us here getting angry and wanting to lash out. All it takes is for a very small number of these to have some degree of sociopathy and they'll do some retarded, fucked up shit.

[The Camel]

Going back to Keiths question about defining terrorism I think this is absolutely terrorism.  Terrorism is less about the actual acts themselves as about affecting the whole population psychologically and affecting the freedom they feel to go about their lives in the usual way.  The IRA's great success was that at one point in their campaign almost everybody in England had had their daily routine affected by a bomb scare even if not by a bomb directly.  Similarly now there will be parents with kids that were planning on going to university in London this year that now don't want them to go because there are "terrorist nutters roaming the streets".  I consider myself to be a very rational person but not long after 7/7 I was on the tube and a couple of Asian kids got on carrying big backpacks and it made me nervous.  It is statistically illogical to be that way but that is the point of terror.  The actual impact of their crimes goes far beyond that of their direct victims they affect the entire population.

By that definition Stu, the Yorkshire Ripper and Steve Wright were terrorists too, because thye absolutely changed the way women acted while they were on the loose.

[The Camel]

These two are angry young men, lashing out against some perceived injustice.

These two guys
Brevik fella in Norway
EDL twats
The guy in America who shot up the cinema showing the Batman film.

A lot of men get riled up by some aspect of the modern world - we've seen a few of us here getting angry and wanting to lash out. All it takes is for a very small number of these to have some degree of sociopathy and they'll do some retarded, fucked up shit.

This.

[redarmi]

I think the point is one of intent.  The Yorkshire Ripper and Steve Wright certainly terrorised their communities but that wasn't their motivation or intent it was a by product of their actions.  Terrorists act with the intention of creating terror with their acts.  It is, in many ways, more important than the actual act to them.

[MC]

Oh lovely, he lived 5 minutes away from me.

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/LIVE-Woolwich-murderer-Michael-Adebolajo-s/story-19068665-detail/story.html#axzz2U15EM1AG

[pleno1]

These two are angry young men, lashing out against some perceived injustice.

These two guys
Brevik fella in Norway
EDL twats
The guy in America who shot up the cinema showing the Batman film.

A lot of men get riled up by some aspect of the modern world - we've seen a few of us here getting angry and wanting to lash out. All it takes is for a very small number of these to have some degree of sociopathy and they'll do some retarded, fucked up shit.

the edl are definitely not the same as brevik, these 2 from yesterday and the batman guy.