Woolwich shooting

[nirvana]

I dont think its racism that causes more indignation in cases like this. Its just that this kind of attack is further outside our frame of reference than many equally sick happenings. Shooting up schools, man murders child and these kinds of things are more regular events so we become a little desensitised. This reminds me of when a couple of soldiers were hauled out of a car in NI and murdered. Seemed much more shocking to me than any number of bombs and shootings.

[The Camel]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

[bookiebasher]

I dont think its racism that causes more indignation in cases like this. Its just that this kind of attack is further outside our frame of reference than many equally sick happenings. Shooting up schools, man murders child and these kinds of things are more regular events so we become a little desensitised. This reminds me of when a couple of soldiers were hauled out of a car in NI and murdered. Seemed much more shocking to me than any number of bombs and shootings.

Totally agree. There are certain incidents that are so unbelievable/shocking that it stays with you for a very long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w

Never ever forget that.

[RED-DOG]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Do I think they should be killed without trial because there is no doubt that they did it? No, of course not.

Fair trials are not there to convict the guilty, they are there to protect the innocent. Ergo guilt, or the evidence of it, must be tested no matter how apparently cut and dried it may seem, otherwise the step between accusation and conviction becomes smaller and smaller until eventually, it disappears altogether.

[mulhuzz]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

quite so.

[Woodsey]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorism#seen

[Woodsey]

Just reporting on BBC that these guys were known to the security services.

[leethefish]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Do I think they should be killed without trial because there is no doubt that they did it? No, of course not.

Fair trials are not there to convict the guilty, they are there to protect the innocent. Ergo guilt, or the evidence of it, must be tested no matter how apparently cut and dried it may seem, otherwise the step between accusation and conviction becomes smaller and smaller until eventually, it disappears altogether.

Tom ....great post my friend
I was trying to find these words and then you posted
Thanks


What he said ⬆

[outragous76]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

What I didn't think it was: two random nutters killing a a random stranger however horrifying and disgusting that is.

Just because the murderer rambled on about random political and religious stuff in an attempt to justify his act doesn't make it terrorism.

quite so.

This! Government and media led fear!

Ive been saying it for years, and ill make it my only point in this thread (as I dont indulge in or digest mainstream media where ever possible),...........

If we really had something to fear, we the general public would be last to know about it!

Take your pick on any of the following:

Dangerous Dogs
Peadophillia
"Terrorism"
Football Violence
Weapons of mass Destruction


We are fed what the powers at large want us to be fed to fit their existing agenda. Are dogs not Dangerous anymore? Is there no violence at football anymore? What about abroad?

Take the word terrorism and islam(islamic/islamist etc) out of all of your news reports tonight, and see what you are left with.

Clearly this is a terrible event, but lets take it for what it is

[Royal Flush]

Can someone define "terrorism" please.

I always thought is was planned acts of violence by organisations planned and executed to cause fear and unrest in a population in order to change the policies of an enemy government.

It seems to me that's exactly what has happened here.

[Royal Flush]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Given that at least one of them was not even a Muslim just a few years ago would it not be wise to undo the brain washing he has clearly fallen victim to rather than just kill him?

[leethefish]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Given that at least one of them was not even a Muslim just a few years ago would it not be wise to undo the brain washing he has clearly fallen victim to rather than just kill him?

Quite simply

NO

[Dubai]

On the complete flip side there are some amazing people in the world for good reasons

http://www.upworthy.com/this-kid-just-died-what-he-left-behind-is-wondtacular-rip?g=7&fb_source=timeline&ref=profile#_=_

Some of you might have read about it, seen it. 20min video, worth watching, puts life in perspective for sure, inspirational stuff

[Alverton]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Given that at least one of them was not even a Muslim just a few years ago would it not be wise to undo the brain washing he has clearly fallen victim to rather than just kill him?

Quite simply

NO

Can either of you kill him then.  I don't want to and I wouldn't like to be in the position to ask another person to kill.

[Woodsey]

Yes. I think these guys should suffer the death penalty. Not for revenge, but to make absolutely sure they never do it again, and to save us the cost of imprisoning them for the next 40 /50 years.

Given that at least one of them was not even a Muslim just a few years ago would it not be wise to undo the brain washing he has clearly fallen victim to rather than just kill him?

Quite simply

NO

Can either of you kill him then.  I don't want to and I wouldn't like to be in the position to ask another person to kill.

No worries I'll do it