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« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2013, 03:41:31 AM »

One of the key attractions of poker is the human element - the social interaction, mind games during hands and usually 'fun' atmosphere. A timebank as described would clearly affect the social aspect of live poker, making the game more of a robotic process and, I reckon, less fun.

It would be great for the pros ingame, but would potentially make the game more intimidating for newbies, thus hurting the pros in the long run.
Training dealers to use a common sense approach seems much more logical to me.
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« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2013, 09:53:47 AM »

A great idea if your remit was to kill live poker.

Just employ dealers who are strong enough to have a word with the time wasters. This is all that is needed.

If I was under the pressure of a shot clock in a live tournament I would go home and vow to never play again. I might as well be playing online.
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« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2013, 12:46:57 PM »

A great idea if your remit was to kill live poker.

Just employ dealers who are strong enough to have a word with the time wasters. This is all that is needed.

If I was under the pressure of a shot clock in a live tournament I would go home and vow to never play again. I might as well be playing online.

This.

Also if we have to make timebanked decisions in 15 seconds a la internet, then I want your dealers to be able to deal 65 hands per hour as per online.

Pressure/consultation with a few regs is hardly adequate market research. Why not a proper survey on your site?

If this is the direction DTD takes then I might as well stay away and go play other tour events/local casinos or just stay online.

With respect, consulting people on here and FB is what I have done. So far, it looks like an overwhelming no no.
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« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2013, 01:30:29 PM »

Thanks for all the feedback guys, much appreciated. We won't be implementing a Decision Time or Time Bank in the near future after reading the comments on here and on my FB. I can see that players are not in favour of this and it needs a lot more thought, I like the idea of working harder on dealer training and guidlines on players that consistantly take too much time, and I also like the idea of having specific timebank tournies. Food for thought, Cheers Aces
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« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »

@jjandellis, What Simon has done here and with the vast majority of DTD's ideas is the very definition of market research!
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« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2013, 03:12:49 PM »

I have to say I am pretty surprised by the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this idea, to me it absolutely seems like something worth trying in some format because I feel like the current standard approach leads to a ton of time being needlessly wasted (especially on preflop decisions) and after all we should all want as many hands per hour as is possible, although clearly I am in the minority on this issue.

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« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2013, 03:21:34 PM »

I have to say I am pretty surprised by the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this idea, to me it absolutely seems like something worth trying in some format because I feel like the current standard approach leads to a ton of time being needlessly wasted (especially on preflop decisions) and after all we should all want as many hands per hour as is possible, although clearly I am in the minority on this issue.



Im pretty sure everyone loves the idea of utopia where nobody wastes time, I think, and much of the discussion itt proves, that it is very difficult to implement a system which works
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« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2013, 03:35:15 PM »

Definitely agree that there is no utopian solution to this issue, I think where I differ from lots of people posting ITT is I am much more negative about the status quo and therefore would rather see experimentation with various approaches to try to speed up play and if they don't improve the situation then we still have the present way of doing things to return to, I guess I just think it's worth trying something different
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« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2013, 03:56:05 PM »

Maybe the players should be much quicker at calling the clock in general.
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« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2013, 04:06:47 PM »

Maybe the players should be much quicker at calling the clock in general.

But I'm not sure this is the problem. People aren't tanking for clock worthy lengths of time with nothing, I think it's more the unnecessary minute here and there that pisses people off (on say the flop) where it's clear villain is folding and they are trying to save face/balance, or whatever it is these clowns think they are doing
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« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2013, 04:26:26 PM »

As predominantly a live player, I'm not really used to being under a clock for decisions. I'm not a tanker, but when I'm in a truly tough spot, I do want to be able to think about it without the added pressure of a time bank. I've very very rarely actually seen a clock called on someone at dtd. If people have a problem with tanking, perhaps they should be more inclined to use their option to call the clock on a player. Perhaps advertising that a player can call the clock on another player after a shorter amount of time would be a better solution? Obviously it's then down to the players discretion and may cause some friction, but i would hope that people for the most part would be sensible about this.

Also don't like the idea of applying this to all tournaments, perhaps (as Alex said) going for a single tournament a week with this is an advertised feature is a better shout. Live poker is a social event, we don't want to spend the whole time concentrating hard and being put under the pressure of a clock every hand. Sometimes it takes 15 seconds to count the size of the pot! I think this will heavily damage the enjoyment of most of the recreational players. From those who aren't recs point of view, we damage our own hourly by tanking, so it's actually a detriment to us and we are being punished for it every day we play. 
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« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2013, 04:30:15 PM »

As predominantly a live player, I'm not really used to being under a clock for decisions. I'm not a tanker, but when I'm in a truly tough spot, I do want to be able to think about it without the added pressure of a time bank. I've very very rarely actually seen a clock called on someone at dtd. If people have a problem with tanking, perhaps they should be more inclined to use their option to call the clock on a player. Perhaps advertising that a player can call the clock on another player after a shorter amount of time would be a better solution? Obviously it's then down to the players discretion and may cause some friction, but i would hope that people for the most part would be sensible about this.

Also don't like the idea of applying this to all tournaments, perhaps (as Alex said) going for a single tournament a week with this is an advertised feature is a better shout. Live poker is a social event, we don't want to spend the whole time concentrating hard and being put under the pressure of a clock every hand. Sometimes it takes 15 seconds to count the size of the pot! I think this will heavily damage the enjoyment of most of the recreational players. From those who aren't recs point of view, we damage our own hourly by tanking, so it's actually a detriment to us and we are being punished for it every day we play. 
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« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2013, 04:30:28 PM »

Not sure I agree rexas, I think calling the clock should always be a last resort and stay that way

People should rather be educated that wasting time on non decisions does nothing (especially with regards to giving away info), or save embarrassment which I assume is their reasoning

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« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2013, 06:05:17 PM »

I too think its a good idea to stop pointless time wasters. I am now in the habit of calling clocks if I feel from the way the hand has played out that the person is just wasting time. (Example; 3 players in a hand 1 all in two to act: player 2 takes 7 minutes to fold, player 3 having had 7 minutes then decides he needs a further five before he folds.  Very hard to realistically implement tho.
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« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2013, 10:13:14 AM »

Defo like the idea of specific timebank tournies. 30 secs is plenty.
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