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Question: Should there be Antes in 1 Day £15-£50 comps?
No Antes - 59 (45.7%)
Yes - Keep Antes - 65 (50.4%)
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Author Topic: Do we need ANTES in DTD's £15 to £50 Evening Comps (30 min clocks or less)?  (Read 17751 times)
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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2013, 01:16:27 PM »

I voted to ditch them. For the novice/recreational player it just makes things simpler and has Rob stated back in the day we never had antes at all. And when a player is ready to step up to bigger games then surely they wont need any/much help with antes.
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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2013, 01:26:10 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.

Please don't do this. Watching some ham-fisted player ask me for $500 worth of ante chips (which I happily give in the off-chance it helps him speed up putting an ante in) and then count out a flop call of $450 in said ante chips (one at a time), before asking me next hand for some more change as he has "run out" is quite possibly one of the most tilting things to happen at a table.

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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2013, 01:30:26 PM »

The only ante level I would do away with is 75.

Just takes bloody ages sorting out change etc

Try

150-300/25
200-400/25
300-600/50
400-800/50
600-1200/100



I definitely agree with this. Don't want recreational players to then take a punt at a higher level in DTD and feel intimidated by the whole ante scenario. The sooner it is learnt, the better imo
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2013, 01:37:28 PM »

Back in the day though it was pot limit hold'em (no antes)

It sounds wrong, but at least if the smaller buy-in local comps have antes introduced at some stage, it speeds the game up on transformation to a bigger game becuase they auto do it.
In my experience the thing that significantly slows a game down is like 300/600/75 and below bets of eg 1425 followed by a raise of 2875 after someone has the majority of the 25's is a right pain in the arse. If the antes dont kick in till 400/800/100 then you can get rid of them on the second break.
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2013, 01:38:52 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.

Please don't do this. Watching some ham-fisted player ask me for $500 worth of ante chips (which I happily give in the off-chance it helps him speed up putting an ante in) and then count out a flop call of $450 in said ante chips (one at a time), before asking me next hand for some more change as he has "run out" is quite possibly one of the most tilting things to happen at a table.



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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2013, 01:50:43 PM »

Players starting out don't want to learn aggressive play tho.  They want to see cheap flops.

Think it's a good idea.  Maybe keep the 50s with antes tho.



But without antes seeing flops is going to be more expensive (obviously with worse odds to see the flop for every player too)
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2013, 02:05:15 PM »

Remove the no antes section not the antes themselves!
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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2013, 03:06:01 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.

Please don't do this. Watching some ham-fisted player ask me for $500 worth of ante chips (which I happily give in the off-chance it helps him speed up putting an ante in) and then count out a flop call of $450 in said ante chips (one at a time), before asking me next hand for some more change as he has "run out" is quite possibly one of the most tilting things to happen at a table.



make it a rule that all bets be made with the minimum number of chips. if you call 200 with 1x100 & 4x25 chips then your hand is dead. simples
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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2013, 03:07:56 PM »

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2013, 03:19:24 PM »

That's not an argument for or against antes by the way, that is an argument for higher ante % per round. (and 100% agree with it)
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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2013, 03:21:40 PM »

Dbl antes I already said that
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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2013, 03:47:11 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.

Please don't do this. Watching some ham-fisted player ask me for $500 worth of ante chips (which I happily give in the off-chance it helps him speed up putting an ante in) and then count out a flop call of $450 in said ante chips (one at a time), before asking me next hand for some more change as he has "run out" is quite possibly one of the most tilting things to happen at a table.



make it a rule that all bets be made with the minimum number of chips. if you call 200 with 1x100 & 4x25 chips then your hand is dead. simples

And how does this help a newbie or rec, settle in?

New blood is required, not more off putting rules.

I voted remove the antes, purely based on the fact I'm colour blind, and it's 1 less colour for me to worry about.  Obviously this affects hardly anyone else.

Asking for change for antes just bugs me TBH.
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« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2013, 03:51:15 PM »

I,m not a big fan of antes,it takes up to much of the dealers time......plus i hate being called Auntie by the dealer when i forget to put them in !!!!
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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2013, 03:54:17 PM »


The only reason for antes is to allow someone to raise/fold.

If you have a pot of 3000 chips composed of 800sb 1600bb and 600 in antes, the min raise is 3200

If you have a pot of 3000 chips composed of a 1000sb and a 2000bb, the min raise is 4000

Obv raise folding means that re-stealing is an option.

You could think about two BBs rather than big small as a way of inflating the pot without the hassle of antes.
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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2013, 04:16:47 PM »

My vote is to keep them, yes it can slow the hands/hr a bit but they are good for the game at all levels.  As has previously been said the more aggro players do adjust and create action even in low buyin comps.  IMO having antes delays the inevitable shove/fold crapshooty stage of turbo comps. 

When all is said and done, if the average stack has dropped to 5 BB, the structure is not to blame, the players are!  Nitting up waiting for the bubble to burst causes this 90% of the time because theres a lot of players out there who are happy with a min cash, especially at lower level buyins, taking home a small profit after having a fun night playing poker.  I'm not saying I've got a problem with this or that its wrong, a cash is a cash, this happening is an important part of learning the games dynamics, but changing the structure in a 1 day comp wont have much effect other than how long it takes to get to that stage.
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