blonde poker forum
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
March 29, 2024, 07:04:11 AM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
2272476 Posts in 66752 Topics by 16945 Members
Latest Member: Zula
* Home Help Arcade Search Calendar Guidelines Login Register
+  blonde poker forum
|-+  Poker Forums
| |-+  The Rail
| | |-+  Online poker is not rigged - but might have flaws
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Down Print
Author Topic: Online poker is not rigged - but might have flaws  (Read 7940 times)
mikeymike
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 425


View Profile
« on: February 26, 2015, 09:40:16 PM »

Online poker is not rigged

Online poker in my opinion is not rigged – that said it is certainly open to a range of abuses more so than live play.

All computers and computer software can be manipulated if you have the right hardware, software and a high level of coding knowledge.

I also believe that there is a flaw in all software – that’s why we have patches.

Poker software on all sites all probably have in built flaws that are not deliberately written into the code on purpose, but when you have a number of engineers each writing different snippets of code, anomalies happen.

Example

1.   Some sites have a larger percentage of the Ace falling on the river
2.   Some sites have a larger percentage of gut shots making it on the river
3.   Some sites if there is 3 all ins of pairs have larger percentage of the lower pair making trips

Unfortunately this information is not published in a detailed breakdown that is made available to the general poker playing public.

Some players and I include myself cannot win on a particular site irrelevant of what they do, though they can win on other sites.

My example – I could play 30 9 player sngs on pokerstars in a row have the largest chip stack with 5 players left and still not cash.

In fact its fair to say that if I did not play on pokerstars I would be a positive winning online player, but hey I like there site.

Cheers



Logged
jakally
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2009



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 09:48:41 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31302312
Logged
Jon MW
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6191



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 09:52:31 PM »


lol I was literally about to post the same link Cheesy
Logged

Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield

2011 blonde MTT League August Champion
2011 UK Team Championships: Black Belt Poker Team Captain  - - runners up - -
5 Star HORSE Classic - 2007 Razz Champion
2007 WSOP Razz - 13/341
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44302


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 09:56:11 PM »

Online poker is not rigged

Online poker in my opinion is not rigged – that said it is certainly open to a range of abuses more so than live play.

All computers and computer software can be manipulated if you have the right hardware, software and a high level of coding knowledge.

I also believe that there is a flaw in all software – that’s why we have patches.

Poker software on all sites all probably have in built flaws that are not deliberately written into the code on purpose, but when you have a number of engineers each writing different snippets of code, anomalies happen.

Example

1.   Some sites have a larger percentage of the Ace falling on the river
2.   Some sites have a larger percentage of gut shots making it on the river
3.   Some sites if there is 3 all ins of pairs have larger percentage of the lower pair making trips

Unfortunately this information is not published in a detailed breakdown that is made available to the general poker playing public.

Really?  So all these people with tracking software, all these independent audits, and they've inserted some very clever code to make sure the player up against you makes his gut-shot on the river 5% more likely than it would be compared to random?  Wow...

You mention these three things as if they're 'fact'.  Where's the evidence?

Quote
Some players and I include myself cannot win on a particular site irrelevant of what they do, though they can win on other sites.

Sample size?  Quality of opposition?  Game selection?  Observer bias?

Quote
My example – I could play 30 9 player sngs on pokerstars in a row have the largest chip stack with 5 players left and still not cash.

Sounds like you need to improve your STT play

Quote
In fact its fair to say that if I did not play on pokerstars I would be a positive winning online player, but hey I like there site.

You prefer losing to winning?
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
rfgqqabc
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5483


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 09:56:48 PM »

Pokerstars is audited, just Google for information about their rng instead of letting your mind fool you
Logged

[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost?
[21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44302


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 09:57:37 PM »


Very well written article Smiley
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
celtic
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 19111



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2015, 10:08:44 PM »

Setting the line at 16.
Logged

Keefy is back Smiley But for how long?
mikeymike
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 425


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2015, 10:22:31 PM »

Poker Stars have had reliable auditor Cigital test their RNG (Random Number Generator). It passed the test, which seems to have been really detailed and to the point.

they still only test the RNG, NOT the entire play of a hand from shuffle to showdown. they also only run a sample number of hands

All software is flawed

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE YOU ASK

My mate is a test engineer - he is ranked very highly which is why the big global software companies send him there coding before they release it so he can look for flaws and bugs - this goes out to about a 100 other test engineers world wide - they would not need these guys if there was not flaws
Logged
nirvana
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7804



View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2015, 10:34:10 PM »

Poker Stars have had reliable auditor Cigital test their RNG (Random Number Generator). It passed the test, which seems to have been really detailed and to the point.

they still only test the RNG, NOT the entire play of a hand from shuffle to showdown. they also only run a sample number of hands

All software is flawed

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE YOU ASK

My mate is a test engineer - he is ranked very highly which is why the big global software companies send him there coding before they release it so he can look for flaws and bugs - this goes out to about a 100 other test engineers world wide - they would not need these guys if there was not flaws

I'd like to support Mike here, all these sites are like buildings and require snagging. How can we be sure the snagging is finished ? Maybe not evidence as such, but pretty powerful support for gutshots, rivering and such
Logged

sola virtus nobilitat
Marky147
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 22796



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 10:44:57 PM »

Setting the line at 16.

Grin
Logged

Karabiner
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 22737


James Webb Telescope


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2015, 01:15:58 AM »

Any fool knows that it's FACT not "fact".
Logged

"Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated. It satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same time maddening and rewarding and it is without a doubt the greatest game that mankind has ever invented." - Arnold Palmer aka The King.
mulhuzz
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3022



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2015, 05:29:04 AM »

Poker Stars have had reliable auditor Cigital test their RNG (Random Number Generator). It passed the test, which seems to have been really detailed and to the point.

they still only test the RNG, NOT the entire play of a hand from shuffle to showdown. they also only run a sample number of hands

All software is flawed

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE YOU ASK

My mate is a test engineer - he is ranked very highly which is why the big global software companies send him there coding before they release it so he can look for flaws and bugs - this goes out to about a 100 other test engineers world wide - they would not need these guys if there was not flaws

what's happened there is that you've misunderstood both:

1) what an RNG does and
2) what a Test Engineer does.

Additionally, I don't think you've understood that the maths says it is random, and that maths isn't something you can take or leave. RNG can exist as a consequence of the rules of maths, not the other way round.
Logged
Matt.NFFC.
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1025


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2015, 12:02:47 PM »

I always open up these threads really interested in what evidence the poster come up with, but, again, I'm left disappointed.

In this case, I'm thinking sample size, and the OP fails to provide any numbers or details of his findings or thoughts.

Logged
teddybloat
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 755


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2015, 12:45:39 PM »

surprisingly the only site you dont win is also the one with the toughest fields. shock horror!

HH's on stars are also extensively datamined. mainly by the thousands of players with tracking software. these databases are huge and no bias has ever been flagged up by anyone, ever. never.

HH's are also datamined by companies who sell these HH's. again, millions of hands and no bias has been found by anyone, ever. not once. never.

the data is there. if there was a trend for more rivered aces then it would be flagged.

your not winning on stars over a large sample simply isnt due to them adjusting river frequecies to squash you. it probably isnt down to you being unlucky. stars is a tough field in certain formats / buyins. if you are a losing player there the regs will have software that will actively try and get them into your SNG. you will be targetted by the better players in your games. their seating software looks for reg / rec ratios and will sit them into any SNG with x-number of losing players already regged. as a losing player onn stars you are likely being hunted by better players. and the winning players on stars are generally better than the winning players on other sites at the same buy in. id wager that is why you stuggle there.

you are not special.

pokerstars doesnt care if you win or lose

the universe doesnt care if you win or lose.

sites dont rig action decks.

if they did it would show up in peoples databases

people have databases

it hasnt shown up

ever
Logged
celtic
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 19111



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2015, 12:47:31 PM »

surprisingly the only site you dont win is also the one with the toughest fields. shock horror!

HH's on stars are also extensively datamined. mainly by the thousands of players with tracking software. these databases are huge and no bias has ever been flagged up by anyone, ever. never.

HH's are also datamined by companies who sell these HH's. again, millions of hands and no bias has been found by anyone, ever. not once. never.

the data is there. if there was a trend for more rivered aces then it would be flagged.

your not winning on stars over a large sample simply isnt due to them adjusting river frequecies to squash you. it probably isnt down to you being unlucky. stars is a tough field in certain formats / buyins. if you are a losing player there the regs will have software that will actively try and get them into your SNG. you will be targetted by the better players in your games. their seating software looks for reg / rec ratios and will sit them into any SNG with x-number of losing players already regged. as a losing player onn stars you are likely being hunted by better players. and the winning players on stars are generally better than the winning players on other sites at the same buy in. id wager that is why you stuggle there.

you are not special.

pokerstars doesnt care if you win or lose

the universe doesnt care if you win or lose.

sites dont rig action decks.

if they did it would show up in peoples databases

people have databases

it hasnt shown up

ever


So, what you saying?
Logged

Keefy is back Smiley But for how long?
Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.192 seconds with 21 queries.