The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[tikay]

Brexit reminds me of British men in the summer, they are wearing shorts and t-shirts irrespective of the weather. If it’s cold and raining - doesn’t matter , it’s the summer so will keep wearing them.

Nothing to do with Brexit but have felt our national logo should be a bald chubby guy in shorts in the rain with a 1 inch neck roll. Mebbe it's just where I live

[nirvana]

Brexit reminds me of British men in the summer, they are wearing shorts and t-shirts irrespective of the weather. If it’s cold and raining - doesn’t matter , it’s the summer so will keep wearing them.

Nothing to do with Brexit but have felt our national logo should be a bald chubby guy in shorts in the rain with a 1 inch neck roll. Mebbe it's just where I live

Haha. Do they do corduroy shorts now

[TightEnd]

Thread on Brexit, lorry drivers, Chris Grayling and no deal planning.

If you think government's no deal planning is all fine and dandy, *read this*

Mr Grayling is a real teflon politican, the train messes are on his watch too

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/15/chris-grayling-has-no-credible-plan-no-deal-brexit-road-hauliers/

[TightEnd]

 UK GDP vs EU countries
UK is NOT above EU avg either on quarterly or annual basis

[nirvana]

UK GDP vs EU countries
UK is NOT above EU avg either on quarterly or annual basis

From a wider perspective, pretty remarkable that we continue to grow given, from a theoretical economic perspective, all kinds of doomsday scenarios are somewhat priced in

[TightEnd]

UK GDP vs EU countries
UK is NOT above EU avg either on quarterly or annual basis

From a wider perspective, pretty remarkable that we continue to grow given, from a theoretical economic perspective, all kinds of doomsday scenarios are somewhat priced in

we haven't left yet and the boE QE'd for a year to avoid the worst predictions

[TightEnd]

2-stage Irish backstop? 1) UK effectively stays in transition — full regulation on customs & goods — until new FTA is ready (could be 5+ yrs...) 2) Irish backstop clause included in FTA in case UK diverges from EU rules

Rees Mogg et al would hate it https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-13/may-is-said-to-weigh-brexit-fix-that-keeps-eu-rules-for-longer

[TightEnd]

Leaving the EU on WTO terms has the same problems as the Chequers deal, staying in the EEA or extending the transition: there aren’t the numbers in Parliament to see how it can happen,

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/leaving-wto-terms-has-same-problem-any-other-form-brexit-deal-has

[nirvana]

UK GDP vs EU countries
UK is NOT above EU avg either on quarterly or annual basis

From a wider perspective, pretty remarkable that we continue to grow given, from a theoretical economic perspective, all kinds of doomsday scenarios are somewhat priced in

we haven't left yet and the boE QE'd for a year to avoid the worst predictions

Yes, but relatively minor QE versus the actions after 2008.

Anyway, I remain impressed we're growing at all with a trainwreck just around the corner

[Woodsey]

Sir Micheal Rawlins - head of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency was quoted in the Pharmaceutical Journal and picked up by Press Association.

When the regulator says there is an insulin supply chain problem under no deal

No insulin is made in the UK. It can't be by March.

What are the government going to do?

a friend of a friend has a T1 diabetic son. Went to doctor to try to stockpile, doctor only allowed to prescribe a month out

And other companies......

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-insulin-supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit

‘But more importantly, the companies that do supply (insulin to) the bulk of UK patients – even with products manufactured overseas – have told us that they don’t expect significant problems with supply in the event of a no-deal Brexit’

When the regulator says we make no insulin in the UK even though we do (albeit a tiny percentage) - that suggests to me he's making a political point rather than a regulatory one. It reminds me of politicians who exaggerate a situation to make a point when they'd have made it equally well by just stating the facts.

Although in this case, as Woodsey has pointed out, the pharmaceutical companies themselves don't think there will be a supply problem so it's likely that the worse that will happen is a slightly larger bill for insulin. Just something else to be added on to the economic cost of Brexit - but not a social one.

I really love these glib dismissals.

From one of the companies:

A spokesperson for HDA UK told FactCheck today that: “we are aware of proposals by the government and manufacturers to develop plans for stockpiling medicines of all types as a ‘buffer stock’ in the event of a ‘no deal Brexit’.”

So there is indeed a problem that will be mitigated by stockpiling.  Until when?  We start making our own?  Until it runs out and we get humanitarian relief?

I work for one of the companies, from our end it is the govt reaching out to us to guarantee stock as our supply chain team don’t think there will be a problem. From the horses mouth yesterday.....

This is what we have to look forward to with the US trade deal and private medicine

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/americans-rationing-insulin-as-prices-skyrocket-1299839555826?v=raila

Uk prices of medicines are nowhere in the same league as the US, for all the faults of the NHS they are very effective at keeping the price of medicines down.

[Pokerpops]

Sir Micheal Rawlins - head of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency was quoted in the Pharmaceutical Journal and picked up by Press Association.

When the regulator says there is an insulin supply chain problem under no deal

No insulin is made in the UK. It can't be by March.

What are the government going to do?

a friend of a friend has a T1 diabetic son. Went to doctor to try to stockpile, doctor only allowed to prescribe a month out

And other companies......

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-insulin-supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit

‘But more importantly, the companies that do supply (insulin to) the bulk of UK patients – even with products manufactured overseas – have told us that they don’t expect significant problems with supply in the event of a no-deal Brexit’

When the regulator says we make no insulin in the UK even though we do (albeit a tiny percentage) - that suggests to me he's making a political point rather than a regulatory one. It reminds me of politicians who exaggerate a situation to make a point when they'd have made it equally well by just stating the facts.

Although in this case, as Woodsey has pointed out, the pharmaceutical companies themselves don't think there will be a supply problem so it's likely that the worse that will happen is a slightly larger bill for insulin. Just something else to be added on to the economic cost of Brexit - but not a social one.

I really love these glib dismissals.

From one of the companies:

A spokesperson for HDA UK told FactCheck today that: “we are aware of proposals by the government and manufacturers to develop plans for stockpiling medicines of all types as a ‘buffer stock’ in the event of a ‘no deal Brexit’.”

So there is indeed a problem that will be mitigated by stockpiling.  Until when?  We start making our own?  Until it runs out and we get humanitarian relief?

I work for one of the companies, from our end it is the govt reaching out to us to guarantee stock as our supply chain team don’t think there will be a problem. From the horses mouth yesterday.....

This is what we have to look forward to with the US trade deal and private medicine

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/americans-rationing-insulin-as-prices-skyrocket-1299839555826?v=raila

Uk prices of medicines are nowhere in the same league as the US, for all the faults of the NHS they are very effective at keeping the price of medicines down.

Why does a US trade deal lead to private medicines anyway?

[Woodsey]

Sir Micheal Rawlins - head of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency was quoted in the Pharmaceutical Journal and picked up by Press Association.

When the regulator says there is an insulin supply chain problem under no deal

No insulin is made in the UK. It can't be by March.

What are the government going to do?

a friend of a friend has a T1 diabetic son. Went to doctor to try to stockpile, doctor only allowed to prescribe a month out

And other companies......

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-insulin-supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit

‘But more importantly, the companies that do supply (insulin to) the bulk of UK patients – even with products manufactured overseas – have told us that they don’t expect significant problems with supply in the event of a no-deal Brexit’

When the regulator says we make no insulin in the UK even though we do (albeit a tiny percentage) - that suggests to me he's making a political point rather than a regulatory one. It reminds me of politicians who exaggerate a situation to make a point when they'd have made it equally well by just stating the facts.

Although in this case, as Woodsey has pointed out, the pharmaceutical companies themselves don't think there will be a supply problem so it's likely that the worse that will happen is a slightly larger bill for insulin. Just something else to be added on to the economic cost of Brexit - but not a social one.

I really love these glib dismissals.

From one of the companies:

A spokesperson for HDA UK told FactCheck today that: “we are aware of proposals by the government and manufacturers to develop plans for stockpiling medicines of all types as a ‘buffer stock’ in the event of a ‘no deal Brexit’.”

So there is indeed a problem that will be mitigated by stockpiling.  Until when?  We start making our own?  Until it runs out and we get humanitarian relief?

I work for one of the companies, from our end it is the govt reaching out to us to guarantee stock as our supply chain team don’t think there will be a problem. From the horses mouth yesterday.....

This is what we have to look forward to with the US trade deal and private medicine

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/americans-rationing-insulin-as-prices-skyrocket-1299839555826?v=raila

Uk prices of medicines are nowhere in the same league as the US, for all the faults of the NHS they are very effective at keeping the price of medicines down.

Why does a US trade deal lead to private medicines anyway?

No idea, looks like the article is just about companies over there putting prices up over there not in the Uk.

[RickBFA]

UK GDP vs EU countries
UK is NOT above EU avg either on quarterly or annual basis

Tighty,

It’s a really unfair comment that you would expect the UK to outperform the EU 28 average. We have a developed, mature economy where it is more difficult to sustain high levels of growth than in developing economies. No really suprise to see some big growth figures from smaller countries in that list.

By all means compare us to France or Germany.

It’s the same reason that you may choose to buy an Emerging Markets Fund if you were a long term investor looking for capital growth.

I’ve not looked but comparing UK v France and Germany over say, 1,3,5 and 10 years would be a fairer assessment of our relative growth IMO.

[booder]

Brexit reminds me of British men in the summer, they are wearing shorts and t-shirts irrespective of the weather. If it’s cold and raining - doesn’t matter , it’s the summer so will keep wearing them.

Nothing to do with Brexit but have felt our national logo should be a bald chubby guy in shorts in the rain with a 1 inch neck roll. Mebbe it's just where I live

Ha  well played

[TightEnd]

A New Leak Reveals 84 Areas Of British Life The UK Government Thinks Will Be Affected If It Doesn't Get A Brexit Deal

these are going to be released as a sign to the EU that we are getting ready (no smileys, take it seriously)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/a-new-leak-reveals-84-areas-of-british-life-the-ukr

Last month, Theresa May told a parliamentary committee there would be around 70 “technical notifications” published to advise individuals and businesses on how to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

But the number of reports to be published appears to have increased

The subjects they will cover are:

Air services
Animal breeding
Aviation safety
Aviation security
Batch testing of medicine
Blood safety
Broadcasting
Chemicals regulation
Civil judicial cooperation
Civil nuclear
Climate
Commercial road haulage
Common Travel Area
Company law
Competition
Consumer protection
Cross-border gas trading
Customs and borders
Data
Driver licensing
Drugs
e-Commerce and geo-blocking
Electricity trading
Environmental standards
Equine movements
Erasmus
EU citizens in the UK
EU programmes and structural funds
EU space programmes
European regional development fund
European social fund
Export control regulation
Fertilisers
Financial services
Firearms
Fisheries, fish and seafood
Fluorinated gases and Ozone depleting substances
Food labelling
Genetically modified organisms
Geographical indicators
Health and identification marks for products of animal origin
Horizon 2020
Imports of food and feed
Insolvency
Intellectual property
Life sciences
Live animals and animal products
Maritime security
Motor insurance
New car and van CO2 emissions
NGOs
Nuclear research
Objects of cultural interest
Oil and gas
Organic food production
Organs, tissue, and cells
Passports
Payments to farmers
Pesticides regulations
Pet travel
Plants and seeds
Procurement
Product regulation
Registration of veterinary medicines
Renewable electricity issues
Rural Development Programme for England
Seafarer certification
Services
State aid
Telecoms
Timber trade
Tobacco
Trade agreements continuity
Trade in endangered species
Trade remedies
Trans-European energy infrastructure
UK citizens in the EU
UK LIFE projects
UK trade tariff
Upholding industrial emissions
VAT
Vehicle standards
Veterinary medicine products
Workplace rights