The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[BigAdz]

From what I read, I would say so.

However, I haven't been round the entire uk to add first hand credence to the fact, if that's what you are asking.

Of course I'm not asking that, but since you brought it up, have you been round the entire UK to add first hand credence to the other facts you quoted in that post?

It was a genuine question, your tone wasn't necessary.

Not sure I quoted any facts. "from what i have read" is hardly quoting facts is it. Or do you mean the former post?

Are you honestly telling me you don't know/have not heard of/or read about a case of immigration where the individual has no skills, doesn't show any interest in learning our language and has no job(or looks like wanting a job, but is happy to take all the system throws at them?

I don't believe you lead that sheltered an existence Tom.

I know of four in my home town. I don't know their names, for that I apologise, but its not made up, if that's your concern. Not many granted, but they are people who are in the public knowledge locally. I am sure there are plenty more.


No tone intended, but heck, right back at ya!

I think we have danced this dance already.

Mark didn't source books/tv or articles with his life experience, yet you don't pick him up on it. Do you believe him and not me, or are you just trying your best to single me out for your treatment?

TBF. It was me that said you rely a lot on anecdotes, mostly negative, but also agreed with you when you said it was a high bar and expectation that you should source your points. Why should you ?

You are a complete drama queen though and have a siege mentality on par with Alex ferguson

I could just sit here and ignore all the backlash(sorry, drama queen word), but where would the fun in that be? On the other hand, your views don't seem to rile several people all at once the way mine do, so until you have a militia of snipers on your case, you wouldn't know how you would react. I am quite comfortable with my views. They won't change because half a dozen people I have never met want to twist my words to make a bit of sport or vent their spleen. It's all fine, but please don't expect to get a free ride in return.

We have gone so far off track the last couple of days, I have forgotten what some peoples views are on Brexit, but at least we got the thread pumping again.

FWIW, If I am as good at my role as Fergie was at his, that's fine by me.

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Sigh..

No winning with you.

You have dig after dig, then say you aren't,  you just want to understand.

It's clear you don't really......

 

[horseplayer]

So nobody can get a doctors appointment?

Even with the freedom of all Euro medics to come and go as suits

Even with all the Euro folk swelling UK coffers

Might be time to think again and change our situation right?

Being part of the EU doesn’t benefit us enough to provide basic stuff like access to a GP.

Hey when there’s less food perhaps obesity reduces and with less money floating around folk might cut out fags/booze

Healthier people, more appointments, winner winner

got to hand it to you , you are superb at this probably the best around

[BigAdz]

The small sea side town of Bognor Regis. My parents have lived here for the majority of their lives, it is a strong Brexit area versus Brighton, just 30 miles up the road which is a strong Remain area.

My parents (60 & 70) voted for Brexit and, like many in this area, immigration was the driver.

In the last 10-15 years, Bognor has become home to a large eastern European community. In some areas, more than 25% of the residents now speak an Eastern European language as their first. The town centre now has more than 10 food stores that specifically cater to European nationals. The local church now runs a mass on a Sunday in Polish as well as English. Etc. etc.

My parents fall into an older age group that lived in a time when their little seaside town looked very different. They are retired and economically “safe”. I suspect they would talk about “British Values” being a big driver. Even ignoring that, the rise in immigration directly to Bognor has brought with it lots of issues. The infrastructure has not coped – GP surgeries are full and not taking any more patients. Waiting times are 4 weeks. I recently moved close to the area and cannot find a dentist as they are all full. The roads are atrocious. Unfortunately Bognor town centre has become increasingly run down (not the fault of migrants) but it is now an intimidating place to be and crime has increased. Many of the residents now spend their time hanging around the streets – I don’t feel safe walking through there anymore. There are also a considerable number of homeless people due to accommodation issues and shelters have been opened so they have somewhere to sleep.

It is a popular place to move to as there are lots of jobs (picking in the fields, manual labour etc.)

I can understand, from my parents point of view, why they voted for Brexit. A small town that they have invested their money into for the majority of their life has shifted dramatically in the last decade. It is hard to argue that this shift has not, in part, been caused by unchecked immigration whilst the local government has not been able to improve local services in line with this.

Very eloquently put Mark.

Maybe I put my point across more directly, but this has been my angle since my very first contribution to the thread, but as Woodsey says, it won't be long before someone calls you out as a Nazi, or suggests that you have deep seated racists views for making such comments.

Mark has wrote a post that is completely genuine, and definitely a good reason why to vote for Brexit. Whilst Adz has just copied and pasted something about the asylum seekers, something that was made public by Katie Hopkins & ultimately overshared on Facebook. If life is so good as an asylum seeker, then perhaps you try life in basic accom and £5/week.

And btw, I didn't mean to tar all people with the same brush regarding Brexit voters, but there is a general opinion that some people voted for Brexit are hateful and racist. I know full well that people have genuinely good reasons and brexit positively affects them, fair play to them. But this asylum seeker thing is just a joke, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Firstly, they dont get only £5 a week.

Its a general opinion that everyone that voted remain lives in the country and has no immigrants for neighbours.

Both of those "general opinions" are so wide of the mark its not worth discussing further.

[aaron1867]

The small sea side town of Bognor Regis. My parents have lived here for the majority of their lives, it is a strong Brexit area versus Brighton, just 30 miles up the road which is a strong Remain area.

My parents (60 & 70) voted for Brexit and, like many in this area, immigration was the driver.

In the last 10-15 years, Bognor has become home to a large eastern European community. In some areas, more than 25% of the residents now speak an Eastern European language as their first. The town centre now has more than 10 food stores that specifically cater to European nationals. The local church now runs a mass on a Sunday in Polish as well as English. Etc. etc.

My parents fall into an older age group that lived in a time when their little seaside town looked very different. They are retired and economically “safe”. I suspect they would talk about “British Values” being a big driver. Even ignoring that, the rise in immigration directly to Bognor has brought with it lots of issues. The infrastructure has not coped – GP surgeries are full and not taking any more patients. Waiting times are 4 weeks. I recently moved close to the area and cannot find a dentist as they are all full. The roads are atrocious. Unfortunately Bognor town centre has become increasingly run down (not the fault of migrants) but it is now an intimidating place to be and crime has increased. Many of the residents now spend their time hanging around the streets – I don’t feel safe walking through there anymore. There are also a considerable number of homeless people due to accommodation issues and shelters have been opened so they have somewhere to sleep.

It is a popular place to move to as there are lots of jobs (picking in the fields, manual labour etc.)

I can understand, from my parents point of view, why they voted for Brexit. A small town that they have invested their money into for the majority of their life has shifted dramatically in the last decade. It is hard to argue that this shift has not, in part, been caused by unchecked immigration whilst the local government has not been able to improve local services in line with this.

Very eloquently put Mark.

Maybe I put my point across more directly, but this has been my angle since my very first contribution to the thread, but as Woodsey says, it won't be long before someone calls you out as a Nazi, or suggests that you have deep seated racists views for making such comments.

Mark has wrote a post that is completely genuine, and definitely a good reason why to vote for Brexit. Whilst Adz has just copied and pasted something about the asylum seekers, something that was made public by Katie Hopkins & ultimately overshared on Facebook. If life is so good as an asylum seeker, then perhaps you try life in basic accom and £5/week.

And btw, I didn't mean to tar all people with the same brush regarding Brexit voters, but there is a general opinion that some people voted for Brexit are hateful and racist. I know full well that people have genuinely good reasons and brexit positively affects them, fair play to them. But this asylum seeker thing is just a joke, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Firstly, they dont get only £5 a week.

Its a general opinion that everyone that voted remain lives in the country and has no immigrants for neighbours.

Both of those "general opinions" are so wide of the mark its not worth discussing further.

You know full well it's not £5/week and a typo on my part.

And no, it isn't general opinion remain voters have no immigrants for neighbours. I live in an area full of immigrants and there was a c4 documentary about the area I live in. I believe that remain voters was mainly voting for a stronger economy, human rights, benefits of EU, stronger pound and generally to be better off.

And no, what I have said, or others said, are not wide of the mark. There are plenty of Brexiteers that voted for brexit for hateful reasons. There are plenty of people who don't really understand what they voted for. There are plenty that voted because of that big red bus. Like I said, brexiteers have a hell lot more hooligan type voters, than remain, that is for sure.

[BigAdz]

Right oh aaron.

I'm glad that you have taken on board all that people have said since your last post about nearly all Brexiteers being hooligan types.......

[Pokerpops]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

[Woodsey]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

[Pokerpops]

The small sea side town of Bognor Regis. My parents have lived here for the majority of their lives, it is a strong Brexit area versus Brighton, just 30 miles up the road which is a strong Remain area.

My parents (60 & 70) voted for Brexit and, like many in this area, immigration was the driver.

In the last 10-15 years, Bognor has become home to a large eastern European community. In some areas, more than 25% of the residents now speak an Eastern European language as their first. The town centre now has more than 10 food stores that specifically cater to European nationals. The local church now runs a mass on a Sunday in Polish as well as English. Etc. etc.

My parents fall into an older age group that lived in a time when their little seaside town looked very different. They are retired and economically “safe”. I suspect they would talk about “British Values” being a big driver. Even ignoring that, the rise in immigration directly to Bognor has brought with it lots of issues. The infrastructure has not coped – GP surgeries are full and not taking any more patients. Waiting times are 4 weeks. I recently moved close to the area and cannot find a dentist as they are all full. The roads are atrocious. Unfortunately Bognor town centre has become increasingly run down (not the fault of migrants) but it is now an intimidating place to be and crime has increased. Many of the residents now spend their time hanging around the streets – I don’t feel safe walking through there anymore. There are also a considerable number of homeless people due to accommodation issues and shelters have been opened so they have somewhere to sleep.

It is a popular place to move to as there are lots of jobs (picking in the fields, manual labour etc.)

I can understand, from my parents point of view, why they voted for Brexit. A small town that they have invested their money into for the majority of their life has shifted dramatically in the last decade. It is hard to argue that this shift has not, in part, been caused by unchecked immigration whilst the local government has not been able to improve local services in line with this.

Very eloquently put Mark.

Maybe I put my point across more directly, but this has been my angle since my very first contribution to the thread, but as Woodsey says, it won't be long before someone calls you out as a Nazi, or suggests that you have deep seated racists views for making such comments.

Mark has wrote a post that is completely genuine, and definitely a good reason why to vote for Brexit. Whilst Adz has just copied and pasted something about the asylum seekers, something that was made public by Katie Hopkins & ultimately overshared on Facebook. If life is so good as an asylum seeker, then perhaps you try life in basic accom and £5/week.

And btw, I didn't mean to tar all people with the same brush regarding Brexit voters, but there is a general opinion that some people voted for Brexit are hateful and racist. I know full well that people have genuinely good reasons and brexit positively affects them, fair play to them. But this asylum seeker thing is just a joke, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Firstly, they dont get only £5 a week.

Its a general opinion that everyone that voted remain lives in the country and has no immigrants for neighbours.

Both of those "general opinions" are so wide of the mark its not worth discussing further.

You know full well it's not £5/week and a typo on my part.

And no, it isn't general opinion remain voters have no immigrants for neighbours. I live in an area full of immigrants and there was a c4 documentary about the area I live in. I believe that remain voters was mainly voting for a stronger economy, human rights, benefits of EU, stronger pound and generally to be better off.

And no, what I have said, or others said, are not wide of the mark. There are plenty of Brexiteers that voted for brexit for hateful reasons. There are plenty of people who don't really understand what they voted for. There are plenty that voted because of that big red bus. Like I said, brexiteers have a hell lot more hooligan type voters, than remain, that is for sure.

I believe that we can have a stronger economy outside of the EU, that the EU doesn’t have a monopoly on human rights, that the benefits of being in the EU aren’t big enough to outweigh the disadvantages, that sterling will outperform the Euro in the mid to long term and that we will be better off out of the EU.

I believe that there were as many remain voters who didn’t understand what they were voting for as there were on the leave side.

You may be right about the hooligan elements, we have no way of knowing though do we?

[Pokerpops]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

Less than 5% of the total for the EU.

A little more reading for you. Busting the myth that asylum seekers choose the UK because we are a soft touch.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0001/5702/rcchance.pdf

[aaron1867]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

Good simplistic point there Woodsey - You voted Brexit, right?

[Woodsey]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

Less than 5% of the total for the EU.

A little more reading for you. Busting the myth that asylum seekers choose the UK because we are a soft touch.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0001/5702/rcchance.pdf

Zero fks given about the %, 33,000 is a lot......build a bigger sea!  

[Woodsey]

Asylum seekers, some facts that Katie Hopkins and her acolytes might find disturbing.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/asylum-seekers-life-teesside-i-14375432

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

Good simplistic point there Woodsey - You voted Brexit, right?

No you’re wrong as usual.....

[aaron1867]

PokerPops, you might be right about a stronger economy, but I also very much think you are going to be wrong.

The response since we voted to leave has pretty much shown we are going to be worse off. The pound dropped from 1.28 and now hangs around about 1.1 most of the time. Results from years since the vote shows us doing less off. Companies are moving. Forecasts for years after leaving show we will be worse off under a deal. It also shows there will be even worse under a no-deal.

All this after the years before we was showing huge growth and was the 5th biggest economy, now 6th.

And whilst, some people probably didn't know what they voted for, remain definitely was more right than the leave group. The remain campaign was run on the economic downturn, we have had economic downturn. The leave campaign, whether people like it or not, was run on ifs and buts. Not just ifs and buts, but also lies. But we know this has been said over and over again.

There are some Brexit voters who voted for things that are genuine, but will not directly impact them, themselves.

The whole vote was a joke, the whole process now is a joke. The whole country is divided. Then this whole asylum seeker argument is pathetic, it simplifies SOME brexit voters, mainly the voters who are racist and believe in Great Britain should rule the world. 

[Woodsey]

Racist.....here we go again  You missed out thick mate 

[Longines]

33,000 per year? Way more than I thought. I think snowflakes should offer to put them up and take on their cost of living if they care so much....

Prompted me to find out how much asylum seekers support costs each taxpayer, appears to be ten pence a week. Good to sweat the big stuff.