The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

Im just looking forward to the day all the fancy london coffee shops have to change "pain au chocolate" to "chocolate pasty"

More than ever the EU holds the power now and even more so again after today/tomorrow’s HoC votes. They can make us use whichever language they like, I recommend Esperanto.




>joke<

[kukushkin88]

On review, it’s ^^ probably a bit too close to the trolling line. Apologies to all concerned.

[RED-DOG]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

[Doobs]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

[Pokerpops]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

If your braking system fails you may not get the chance to change it.

The referendum was the first of a few wrong decisions.
May being elected as leader was poor.
May calling an election was catastrophic.

Let’s get a 6 month extension and be involved in the European Parliament elections the appointment/election of a new commission and a replacement for Jean Claude.
Nigel F and his cohorts can all run on a Brexit Means Brexit ticket and the rest can run on a ‘better Together’ or whatever ticket. Maybe a Change from Within line would work?
A solid phalanx of Brexit Party MEPs would give the EU a good reason to want rid of us and push them toward offering better terms.

[RED-DOG]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

If your braking system fails you may not get the chance to change it.

The referendum was the first of a few wrong decisions.
May being elected as leader was poor.
May calling an election was catastrophic.

Let’s get a 6 month extension and be involved in the European Parliament elections the appointment/election of a new commission and a replacement for Jean Claude.
Nigel F and his cohorts can all run on a Brexit Means Brexit ticket and the rest can run on a ‘better Together’ or whatever ticket. Maybe a Change from Within line would work?
A solid phalanx of Brexit Party MEPs would give the EU a good reason to want rid of us and push them toward offering better terms.

Surely there is no chance that the EU will agree to this?

[Woodsey]

Hope there’s no plans to have tariffs on those damn tinned peaches 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47551266

[kukushkin88]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

If your braking system fails you may not get the chance to change it.

The referendum was the first of a few wrong decisions.
May being elected as leader was poor.
May calling an election was catastrophic.

Let’s get a 6 month extension and be involved in the European Parliament elections the appointment/election of a new commission and a replacement for Jean Claude.
Nigel F and his cohorts can all run on a Brexit Means Brexit ticket and the rest can run on a ‘better Together’ or whatever ticket. Maybe a Change from Within line would work?
A solid phalanx of Brexit Party MEPs would give the EU a good reason to want rid of us and push them toward offering better terms.

Surely there is no chance that the EU will agree to this?

They will agree to whatever they think most positively influences the likelihood of the UK staying in the Union. I don’t see a scenario where they don’t act in the way that they believe is in the best interests of the EU 28.

[Pokerpops]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

If your braking system fails you may not get the chance to change it.

The referendum was the first of a few wrong decisions.
May being elected as leader was poor.
May calling an election was catastrophic.

Let’s get a 6 month extension and be involved in the European Parliament elections the appointment/election of a new commission and a replacement for Jean Claude.
Nigel F and his cohorts can all run on a Brexit Means Brexit ticket and the rest can run on a ‘better Together’ or whatever ticket. Maybe a Change from Within line would work?
A solid phalanx of Brexit Party MEPs would give the EU a good reason to want rid of us and push them toward offering better terms.

Surely there is no chance that the EU will agree to this?

If we haven’t left then I don’t think they can stop it.

[kukushkin88]

We need a better system than both parties claiming that each and everything the opposing party says and does is totally wrong.

I don't think it is the system that is wrong, it was the referendum that was wrong.  It was when we stepped away from the system that it has gone very wrong. 

I'd say a small majority is normally a good brake on the excesses of the governing party, but it seems on this particular occasion the small majority could mean the extreme position ends up winning the day.  But you don't change the system because it fails occasionally.

 

If your braking system fails you may not get the chance to change it.

The referendum was the first of a few wrong decisions.
May being elected as leader was poor.
May calling an election was catastrophic.

Let’s get a 6 month extension and be involved in the European Parliament elections the appointment/election of a new commission and a replacement for Jean Claude.
Nigel F and his cohorts can all run on a Brexit Means Brexit ticket and the rest can run on a ‘better Together’ or whatever ticket. Maybe a Change from Within line would work?
A solid phalanx of Brexit Party MEPs would give the EU a good reason to want rid of us and push them toward offering better terms.

Surely there is no chance that the EU will agree to this?

If we haven’t left then I don’t think they can stop it.

They have complete control over an extension and it needs all 27 to agree.

[ripple11]

 EU grant NO extension.
 Panic in Westminster.
No deal is default on 29th.
Majority of MP's have no choice than to push through May's deal.

[Woodsey]

EU grant NO extension.
 Panic in Westminster.
No deal is default on 29th.
Majority of MP's have no choice than to push through May's deal.

Or they are forced into another referendum and then the deceit is finally complete.....

[kukushkin88]

EU grant NO extension.
 Panic in Westminster.
No deal is default on 29th.
Majority of MP's have no choice than to push through May's deal.

Why do you think the EU won’t grant an extension?

[ripple11]

EU grant NO extension.
 Panic in Westminster.
No deal is default on 29th.
Majority of MP's have no choice than to push through May's deal.

Why do you think the EU won’t grant an extension?

I think they will...just putting forward a way forward for this sorry mess 

[kukushkin88]

EU grant NO extension.
 Panic in Westminster.
No deal is default on 29th.
Majority of MP's have no choice than to push through May's deal.

Why do you think the EU won’t grant an extension?

I think they will...just putting forward a way forward for this sorry mess 

I guess they could do it, with the UK government complicit, to try and give May’s deal more leverage in a new HoC vote, the stakes would be high for that approach. (it’s a little far fetched I guess)