The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Karabiner]

Do we know what Trump's advice actually was?

[4KSuited]

Wasn’t it to sue the EU?

[Pokerpops]

Post referendum a united acceptance of the outcome affords a better deal which is passed

is difficult because

decision to call referendum and method of referendum without defined choices beyond a simplistic binary decision
Possible overseas interference in leave campaign
Leave campaign electoral offences

and also, May's approach wasn't conciliatory towards those who lost. Immediately she went on no freedom of movement (appeasing her right wing, though it didn't make any difference)  Brexit means Brexit was also bollocks. No one knew which of many different Brexits they'd voted for

On the subject of  your  three difficulties...

Is it too late to string Cameron up by his short and curlies and throw pigs’ heads at him?

Given that the remain argument was so very strong it seems a shame that the campaigners didn’t get round to making it strongly enough to counter some ‘possible’ overseas interference. Leave managed to make their rather weak case against the open interference of the US President and the efforts of the leaders of France, Germany, Italy et al.

The Leave campaign electoral offences clearly didn’t merit the overturning of the result. Maybe the overspend balanced out the advantage that Remain gained from the spend on the leaflet distributed to every household by the government. In any event, citing this issue as a factor some three years on is like saying that England should have won the WC in 1986 because Maradona used his hand. Or maybe in 2010 because Fat Frank’s shot crossed the line.  (It probably isn’t but you take my point I hope)

[nirvana]

Post referendum a united acceptance of the outcome affords a better deal which is passed

is difficult because

decision to call referendum and method of referendum without defined choices beyond a simplistic binary decision
Possible overseas interference in leave campaign
Leave campaign electoral offences

and also, May's approach wasn't conciliatory towards those who lost. Immediately she went on no freedom of movement (appeasing her right wing, though it didn't make any difference)  Brexit means Brexit was also bollocks. No one knew which of many different Brexits they'd voted for

On the subject of  your  three difficulties...

Is it too late to string Cameron up by his short and curlies and throw pigs’ heads at him?

Given that the remain argument was so very strong it seems a shame that the campaigners didn’t get round to making it strongly enough to counter some ‘possible’ overseas interference. Leave managed to make their rather weak case against the open interference of the US President and the efforts of the leaders of France, Germany, Italy et al.

The Leave campaign electoral offences clearly didn’t merit the overturning of the result. Maybe the overspend balanced out the advantage that Remain gained from the spend on the leaflet distributed to every household by the government. In any event, citing this issue as a factor some three years on is like saying that England should have won the WC in 1986 because Maradona used his hand. Or maybe in 2010 because Fat Frank’s shot crossed the line.  (It probably isn’t but you take my point I hope)

Fair points imo, when you compare the array of resources, people and ludicrously piled high economic arguments from remain versus leave, it's kind of nonsensical to try and explain away defeat based on leave shenanigans. The argument was lost because it was a crap argument, not because the other people used shenanigans to enhance their crap argument

[RickBFA]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48929244

This isn't going away for Jezza is it?

[StuartHopkin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48929244

This isn't going away for Jezza is it?

It is incredible

Any normal place would have sacked every one of them, not demoted, sacked never to be involved again

But dont worry, only 2 weeks till the summer holidays, then all we be forgotten, just like when we were 8 years old

[MANTIS01]

Can’t remember Labour being at such a low point

Particularly when the opportunity to be flying high is so apparent

[Woodsey]

Can’t remember Labour being at such a low point

Particularly when the opportunity to be flying high is so apparent

The momentum type clowns that voted him in and kept him in are clueless, it’s so obvious to anyone outside that bubble that they’d be smashing it if they had anyone half decent as leader.

[Marky147]

What's the solution?

Surely David could trounce our Mini Trump?

I think he's a clown, but still have a soft spot for Boris after the soccer aid tackle many years ago

[RickBFA]

Just watched the Panorama programme.

Really is pretty damning stuff.

 You really do have to wonder why politicians (from all sides) seem to lose touch with basic common sense and reality when they get seduced by power.

In Corbyn’s case he’s sticking his head in the sand and pretending it’s all a plot to undermine him.

Shouldn’t be anywhere near the leadership of a significant political party.

[TightEnd]

Post-Brexit US trade deal in doubt as documents leaked to Telegraph reveal chronic Whitehall staff shortages, lack of progress in key areas and signs that US administration may be losing interest

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/10/lack-progress-us-uk-trade-talks-laid-bare-cache-leaked-documents/

[TightEnd]

"it is a national disgrace that Boris Johnson is poised to become Prime Minister - as ITV debate showed comprehensively. Never forget those who aided and abetted his passage to Downing Street."

D'Ancona in the standard, where Osborne recently came out to support Boris

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/the-tv-debate-was-a-stark-warning-that-neither-man-is-fit-to-be-prime-minister-a4186731.html

[TightEnd]

57% of Remain voters say Labour MPs defecting to the Liberal Democrats is a price worth paying to stop Brexit.

via You Gov, 07 - 08 Jul

Full details:
https://mailchi.mp/9d6e45eaf7b2/tories-and-brexit-party-should-work-together-to-secure-brexit-69-of-leave-voters-say

[MANTIS01]

Latest doom & gloom...trade deal with US in doubt

Upon this landscape Boris Johnson arrives upbeat, positive, can-do optimism, backed by Trump, liked by Trump,

Yet behold, Boris is terrible and the worst choice possible to solve that problem. To get this trade deal done we need more serious gloomies who Trump won’t deal with.

[Doobs]

Latest doom & gloom...trade deal with US in doubt

Upon this landscape Boris Johnson arrives upbeat, positive, can-do optimism, backed by Trump, liked by Trump,

Yet behold, Boris is terrible and the worst choice possible to solve that problem. To get this trade deal done we need more serious gloomies who Trump won’t deal with.

Who said that he was the worst choice to solve that problem, or even, if that was the problem he is going to be elected to solve?