The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[aaron1867]

At some point in time people are going to need to stop talking about how bad it’s going to be and start contributing something constructive

I mean how many links to the same bad news in different guises? Which products will we run short of this week? What threat will EU leaders issue today? What graph will illustrate the crisis most accurately this time? To what actual end?

It’s like being in the trenches with a platoon who keep crying and crying and crying. Repeating we’re all gonna die over and over and over. Look chaps the enemy are almost upon us. Please dry ur eyes and load ur weapons now.

Agree with some of your viewpoint here

It's like as if you know there is going to be bad news and you accept the reality of Brexit. If you know this, then why did you vote Brexit?

As for links and stuff, as much as they are insightful, it kinda lowers the topic in here because it shows we can not debate with each other here. I do get fed up with the links someone posts. In fact, Tighty's link about the guy talking about newspaper wrappings is very hypocritical really, as I've been told to give it a rest about calling Brexit voters idiots and so on, but there someone is doing exactly the same. We all know the vast amounts of idiots voted for Brexit, if you put 100 in a room 90 of them vote brexit and the others probably didn't know how to vote.

I will be happy when this comes to a conclusion, but there is little chance of that happening anytime soon. I assume we might all still be here next year talking about the same old stuff!

[MANTIS01]

At the start of the Panorama program Franz Timmermans says continental Europe sees the EU much differently to UK. O’rly.

They don’t view it as economics, it’s more important than that, they see it as their destiny

I would love Remain to get into this area of the debate. Drop the economic argument for one second and talk to us about why UK should share the passion for destiny, for us to change our aspirations to continental ones, our island dna to a mainland one. The German car industry would put principle ahead of profits but we should put profits ahead of principle.

[nirvana]

At the start of the Panorama program Franz Timmermans says continental Europe sees the EU much differently to UK. O’rly.

They don’t view it as economics, it’s more important than that, they see it as their destiny

I would love Remain to get into this area of the debate. Drop the economic argument for one second and talk to us about why UK should share the passion for destiny, for us to change our aspirations to continental ones, our island dna to a mainland one. The German car industry would put principle ahead of profits but we should put profits ahead of principle.

It's a deece point this. Even now, 3 years on, the main protagonists for remain continue to try to win hearts and minds with a wholly negative message

[BigAdz]

At some point in time people are going to need to stop talking about how bad it’s going to be and start contributing something constructive

I mean how many links to the same bad news in different guises? Which products will we run short of this week? What threat will EU leaders issue today? What graph will illustrate the crisis most accurately this time? To what actual end?

It’s like being in the trenches with a platoon who keep crying and crying and crying. Repeating we’re all gonna die over and over and over. Look chaps the enemy are almost upon us. Please dry ur eyes and load ur weapons now.

Yes, it's almost the shear delight of some on here at reporting bad news.

The worse the news the more upbeat they appear, 'oh look another glorious article about how shit it could all possibly be'.




Forgotten how many times I have mentioned the appalling way we are viewed by the EU as an Island entity, good to see others finally acknowledge this is actually real and more than just economic.

[aaron1867]

At some point in time people are going to need to stop talking about how bad it’s going to be and start contributing something constructive

I mean how many links to the same bad news in different guises? Which products will we run short of this week? What threat will EU leaders issue today? What graph will illustrate the crisis most accurately this time? To what actual end?

It’s like being in the trenches with a platoon who keep crying and crying and crying. Repeating we’re all gonna die over and over and over. Look chaps the enemy are almost upon us. Please dry ur eyes and load ur weapons now.

Yes, it's almost the shear delight of some on here at reporting bad news.

The worse the news the more upbeat they appear, 'oh look another glorious article about how shit it could all possibly be'.




Forgotten how many times I have mentioned the appalling way we are viewed by the EU as an Island entity, good to see others finally acknowledge this is actually real and more than just economic.

You’re right - it is more than economic.

People are dying in this country because the focus has been taken away from domestic issues to try and deal with a decision that 17.4m made.

[BigAdz]

Hmm, so if we hadn't voted for Brexit, people would have stopped dying?

Sounds like a programme from the Syfy. channel.

[Pokerpops]

Why are they dying Aaron?

Can you identify the specific policy areas that you think are the issue here?

[MANTIS01]

It’s a well known fact that anxiety and stress are big killers

So if vulnerable folk get exposed to worrying news over extended periods health will suffer

Somebody needs to peddle optimism and wave a kipper for the good of the nation’s health

[ripple11]

Anyone fancy an upset ?

33/1 Hunt available

or Boris %....70% to 80% is fav at 5/4.

I thought Liz Truss was a good bet for Chancellor at 6/1 last month...but Javid now fav at odds on. She is surely on for a "good" cabinet post, having introduced Boris at the last hustings...and I just read a of a "Stop Saj" in the Boris camp because they wonder if he has the radical vision a new chancellor will need.....so there is hope for Liz.  

[ripple11]

UK - Brexit - A 2nd Vote of No Confidence in Government in 2019?

1/4 on Betfair ......99% this is going to happen?

[kukushkin88]

Anyone fancy an upset ?

33/1 Hunt available

or Boris %....70% to 80% is fav at 5/4.

I thought Liz Truss was a good bet for Chancellor at 6/1 last month...but Javid now fav at odds on. She is surely on for a "good" cabinet post, having introduced Boris at the last hustings...and I just read a of a "Stop Saj" in the Boris camp because they wonder if he has the radical vision a new chancellor will need.....so there is hope for Liz.  

Obviously not a strong field competence wise but it’s fair to say everyone was blown away by how clueless and inept she was as Environment Secretary. I think Boris knows just about enough for it to count against her.

[ripple11]

Anyone fancy an upset ?

33/1 Hunt available

or Boris %....70% to 80% is fav at 5/4.

I thought Liz Truss was a good bet for Chancellor at 6/1 last month...but Javid now fav at odds on. She is surely on for a "good" cabinet post, having introduced Boris at the last hustings...and I just read a of a "Stop Saj" in the Boris camp because they wonder if he has the radical vision a new chancellor will need.....so there is hope for Liz.  

Obviously not a strong field competence wise but it’s fair to say everyone was blown away by how clueless and inept she was as Environment Secretary. I think Boris knows just about enough for it to count against her.

He has committed to one female in one of the top 4 jobs....but I guess Mourdant says at Defence to get him out of that one.

[TightEnd]

UK - Brexit - A 2nd Vote of No Confidence in Government in 2019?

1/4 on Betfair ......99% this is going to happen?

Maguire today

price seems about right, its not a sure thing but odds on

[Archer]

98 reasons to stay in the EU:


Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
Tariff-free trade within the EU
The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
EU funding for the British film industry
EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
The right to reside in any EU member state
The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
The ability to retire in any member state
Pension transferability
The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
Reductions in sewage emissions
Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
EU standards on the quality of drinking water
Restrictions on landfill dumping
EU targets for recycling
Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
EU funding for UK universities
Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
EU rules governing health and safety at work
The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, pedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
The European common arrest warrant
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
Improved food labeling
A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
Common EU air passenger rights
Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
The introduction of the European pet passport
The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
A frictionless Irish border
The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue
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[TightEnd]

Anyone fancy an upset ?

33/1 Hunt available

or Boris %....70% to 80% is fav at 5/4.

I thought Liz Truss was a good bet for Chancellor at 6/1 last month...but Javid now fav at odds on. She is surely on for a "good" cabinet post, having introduced Boris at the last hustings...and I just read a of a "Stop Saj" in the Boris camp because they wonder if he has the radical vision a new chancellor will need.....so there is hope for Liz. 

Obviously not a strong field competence wise but it’s fair to say everyone was blown away by how clueless and inept she was as Environment Secretary. I think Boris knows just about enough for it to count against her.

He has committed to one female in one of the top 4 jobs....but I guess Mourdant says at Defence to get him out of that one.

Amber Rudd's recent volte face's are making a strong run at getting a top job too

Saj for chancellor makes sense. Economics background, was both financial sec and economic sec to the treasury.