The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Karabiner]

At the behest of the US we seize an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar, and when a British tanker is seized in retaliation, Trump tells the UK to defend itself when asked for help.

Have I got this right or am I missing something?

[TightEnd]

About right. Jon Snow has it

https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/1153400045825384453?s=19

[nirvana]

About right. Jon Snow has it

https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/1153400045825384453?s=19

He's not the most impartial commentator is he ? And, like so many these days - a couple of unrelated issues are conflated to make a stupid point. The situation in Iran/the Gulf couldn't be less related to Brexit ..Brexit is rapidly becoming the new Godwin's law except the discussion doesn't have to be too drawn out

[nirvana]

There is other stupidity in relation to Iran. Generally, most people in Europe wouldn't want the US wading in with more sanctions and heavy handed responses to the current situation with the 'British' ship.

So when the US doesn't react stupidly hastily and Hunt, sensibly, doesn't seek to involve them,  it becomes more ammo to smack the Americans and the British Government with.

As much as I'm culturally sympathetic to parts of Western Europe and I think US foreign policy is often ludicrous (more often pre Trump than post) I know who I'd trust if the chips were really down

Edit: as an nb I doubt the Europeans see our approach as a stick to beat us with, more, they'd welcome our rational approach. The vote to leave the EU seems to have caused people who would prefer to remain to have lost all the abilities they may have had to think for themselves - just attack anything the Government does.

[MANTIS01]

So we are in EU and we need to beg them for help vs Iranian piracy. Cool club, so lucky to be a member.

[nirvana]

In other news, learned a new word from Tony Blair today..resile. Never 'eard that one before

[aaron1867]

Boris wants to sack hunt according to reports. Why? Oh, apparently he didn’t like something Hunt said about him. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the next PM.

If everyone who said a bad word about me got sacked, I’d be sat on my own

[Woodsey]

Boris wants to sack hunt according to reports. Why? Oh, apparently he didn’t like something Hunt said about him. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the next PM.

If everyone who said a bad word about me got sacked, I’d be sat on my own

You probably are......

Missed you at the cricket mate, I guess it’s probably because you were in the VIP section? 

[TightEnd]

A must watch

Yvette trying to get to the heart of the Irish border technology question. Not sure she got very far

then again Saj either hadn't read his brief or he can't remember what they said.

“Can you tell me that you know what this technology is and that it exists?”

https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1153391125027262466?s=20

but it does bring to the fore again the logical fallacy at the heart of the position

If these solutions demonstrably exist then why do Brexiters object to the backstop, since it would never be used, or not for long?

If they don't demonstrably exist, then how do they propose to deal with the border without the backstop?

[TightEnd]

Rory Stewart warns Boris he is going to join the band of Remain rebels and block a no deal on the backbenches

“there is a majority of 2 and I have at least three friends”

fun and games ahead

[TightEnd]

Liam Fox the hardliner turned sensible was speaking yesterday


Several Democrat Congressman on influential Ways and Means Committee with oversight on trade deals raised at a meeting this month in DC directly with him, blocking a US-UK trade deal if Brexit saw a hardening of Irish border/ impact on Good Friday Agreement

Fox confirmed to Faisal Fox that the issue was raised: “We need to be aware of it - I spoke to a number of Democrat members of Ways and Means [a key Congressional committee with oversight on trade deals] when I was in Washington two weeks ago and they did raise those issues with me”..

[TightEnd]

Meanwhile Faisal did a long read yesterday

What happened to post-Brexit free-trade nirvana?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49075764

including the example of the £500 block of cheddar bound for Canada, which under no-deal would be subject to a £1200 tariff

Remember the Canadians refused to roll over the EU trade agreement for us alone

Fox says that Canadians acted “not unreasonably” in refusing to rollover the CETA deal, immediately after the publication of the No Deal tariffs... as they said “we can get access to your markets for nothing"

[TightEnd]

The Daily Telegraph asked Leahy to write about whether Dublin would concede on the backstop to avoid no deal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/22/ireland-really-cave-boris-backstop/

[TightEnd]

"If – when – Johnson's Brexit strategy fails, this lot will have nowhere to hide:"

Sean O'Grady doesn't think much of new cabinet hopefuls

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-cabinet-patel-davis-mogg-no-deal-brexit-a9015556.html

[TightEnd]

Boris Johnson is as likely to avoid an Irish backstop as fly to the moon | Simon Jenkins

it says he must swallow his pride and make a deal with God, And I'd get him to swap our places
Be running up that road, Be running up that hill, Be running up that building

sorry that part is wrong,

it says he must swallow his pride and make a deal with Dublin

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/22/boris-johnson-avoid-irish-backstop-fly-moon