The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Longines]

Haha yes it’s very hilarious to see the leader of a country championing the products of their country

Makes more sense to run down their country like we do here in UK

lol Trump has no problem slating US products and companies when it suits him.

[Pokerpops]

Why do we keep hearing warnings from Macron? Always seems to be France dishing out the threats. Is he official EU badass spokesman?

Why not let Finland or Bulgaria offer opinion in the fair equal union?

Sounds like Trump will sort out his trapping off, about time France’s overpriced wine took a bigger hit when compared to the quality elsewhere around the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49131301

More gold from Trump, no wonder he’s such a champion of the simpletons. “I’ve always said American wine is better than French wine”. Someone reminds him he’s never drunk wine.....😂. No doubt he feels well placed to speak about wine with authority.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201808/the-dunning-kruger-effect-may-help-explain-trumps-support%3famp

Funny how people who cite the Dunning-Kruger effect always seem to use it to belittle people without ever considering the fact that they too may be impacted by it.

[kukushkin88]

Why do we keep hearing warnings from Macron? Always seems to be France dishing out the threats. Is he official EU badass spokesman?

Why not let Finland or Bulgaria offer opinion in the fair equal union?

Sounds like Trump will sort out his trapping off, about time France’s overpriced wine took a bigger hit when compared to the quality elsewhere around the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49131301

More gold from Trump, no wonder he’s such a champion of the simpletons. “I’ve always said American wine is better than French wine”. Someone reminds him he’s never drunk wine.....😂. No doubt he feels well placed to speak about wine with authority.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201808/the-dunning-kruger-effect-may-help-explain-trumps-support%3famp

Funny how people who cite the Dunning-Kruger effect always seem to use it to belittle people without ever considering the fact that they too may be impacted by it.

Good morning.

So, on one level of course I agree you are right. I feel like I’m on safe ground on a few things though:

• People who don’t drink wine aren’t well placed to comment on the quality of wine. The Trump statement is ridiculous.
• Mantis and Aaron both write nonsense in this thread and don’t understand much.
• The way Woodsey behaves, especially towards Tighty and Keith, mean he is a terrible contributor to this forum and everyone with an interest in the forum would be better off if we didn’t have to put up with his bullshit.

In life in general, I tend to audit myself regularly against Dunning/Kruger. I’m cool that I’m more aware than most of the holes in my knowledge. If you love learning, what could be better than an awareness of just how much you don’t know. The unread books in Umberto Eco’s library etc

[Woodsey]

Why do we keep hearing warnings from Macron? Always seems to be France dishing out the threats. Is he official EU badass spokesman?

Why not let Finland or Bulgaria offer opinion in the fair equal union?

Sounds like Trump will sort out his trapping off, about time France’s overpriced wine took a bigger hit when compared to the quality elsewhere around the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49131301

More gold from Trump, no wonder he’s such a champion of the simpletons. “I’ve always said American wine is better than French wine”. Someone reminds him he’s never drunk wine.....😂. No doubt he feels well placed to speak about wine with authority.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201808/the-dunning-kruger-effect-may-help-explain-trumps-support%3famp

Funny how people who cite the Dunning-Kruger effect always seem to use it to belittle people without ever considering the fact that they too may be impacted by it.

Good morning.

So, on one level of course I agree you are right. I feel like I’m on safe ground on a few things though:

• People who don’t drink wine aren’t well placed to comment on the quality of wine. The Trump statement is ridiculous.
• Mantis and Aaron both write nonsense in this thread and don’t understand much.
• The way Woodsey behaves, especially towards Tighty and Keith, mean he is a terrible contributor to this forum and everyone with an interest in the forum would be better off if we didn’t have to put up with his bullshit.

In life in general, I tend to audit myself regularly against Dunning/Kruger. I’m cool that I’m more aware than most of the holes in my knowledge. If you love learning, what could be better than am awareness of just how much you don’t know. The unread books in Umberto Eco’s library etc

You need to look at your own behaviour first, you should note that I only dish out grief to you when you are behaving like an arsehole, (if you haven’t sussed that one yet then it’s probably you that needs to look at Dunning/Kruger) same apples to Camel. Not sure why you mention Tighty, but on the rare occasion that we cross swords takes I doubt he takes any of my banter with him as anything but that.

[Mark_Porter]

There was some interesting chat on here a while ago about poverty - how it is defined and what the reality is in this country.

"The Social Metrics Commission are an organisation that came together with the intention of developing a new approach to poverty measurement."

They published their report today. The link to the full report is on this page - https://socialmetricscommission.org.uk/new-report-on-poverty-from-independent-commission-highlights-scale-of-challenge-facing-new-prime-minister/

The report is really long, they summarised their key findings:-

Overall poverty: There are 14.3 million people in poverty in the UK. This includes 8.3 million working-age adults; 4.6 million children; and 1.3 million pension-age adults.

Depth of poverty: On average, those in poverty have moved closer to the poverty line now than would have been the case in 2000/01. However, a third (31%) of people in poverty – 4.5 million people – are more than 50% below the poverty line, and this proportion has not changed since the millennium.

Persistent poverty: Just under half (49%) of those in poverty are in persistent poverty, meaning they are in poverty now and have also been in poverty for at least two of the previous three years. This totals 7 million people, including 2.3 million children, 1.2 million people living in lone-parent families, and 1.8 million of those living in workless households.

Depth & persistence of poverty: Poverty persistence is particularly high for those in deep levels of poverty. Three fifths (59%) of those living more than 50% below the poverty line are also in persistent poverty, compared to just over a third (36%) of those living within 5% of the poverty line.

Does anyone know how we can find how this data compares to other European countries + America? I guess it won't be exact as their definition of poverty will not be the same. FYI - the commission talk about how they define poverty on pages 13-17 of the report. Interesting read.

[Mark_Porter]

Just to add to the above, Eurostat publish this:-

Click to see full-size image.

It's a bit old, and their measurement of poverty is going to be different but it's good for a ball park. It also brings the UK out at a very similar percentage to the Social Metrics Commission report so gives us an idea of how Europe are doing.

Bulgaria, Romania, Greece all above 30%.

The Nordics, France & Germany do well at less than 20%.

We sit in the middle.

[TightEnd]

on a similar subject. EU funding gave £3.5m for child poverty causes. We sent it back

Presumably, accepting the cash would have entailed acknowledging child poverty which would itself have made it very hard to deny that austerity policies had helped cause it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49131685

[TightEnd]

Otto English on how the new Prime Minister’s appointment of the toxic trio of Dominic Cummings, Matthew Elliott and Chloe Westley is a massive hostage to fortune.


an interesting read

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/07/26/boris-johnsons-game-of-russian-roulette/

[TightEnd]

"During his leadership campaign, Boris Johnson said the chances of No-Deal Brexit were “a million to one”, but now his government assumes a No-Deal outcome. A week is a long time in British politics."

the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375

So really, which is it? "Million to one" or "the now assumed outcome"? Because if you really want businesses to prepare for no-deal you'd better decide.

[TightEnd]

Sophy Ridge of Sky asks, “Do you want to stay in the EU or do you want to leave?” and Corbyn basically says, “Yes”

https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/media-centre/articles/en-gb/Sophy-Ridge-on-Sunday-Interview-with-Jeremy-Corbyn

[TightEnd]

Rawnsley yesterday

"Britain's briefest prime minister?"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/28/mr-johnson-swears-off-early-election-sweaty-aroma-says-otherwise

[TightEnd]

Freedland

"Why is it that Boris Johnson thinks he can win a no deal election, even though so few people support no deal?

The answer lies in two facts.

1. The Remain camp is divided

2. The leader of the opposition is so unpopular.

Those who want to stop no deal have to address both"

[TightEnd]

Dominic Cummings' 'one strike and you're out' ban on Cabinet leaks

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you guessed it

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is leaked to Daily Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/28/dominic-cummings-one-strike-ban-cabinet-leaks-leaked-daily-telegraph/

[nirvana]

on a similar subject. EU funding gave £3.5m for child poverty causes. We sent it back

Presumably, accepting the cash would have entailed acknowledging child poverty which would itself have made it very hard to deny that austerity policies had helped cause it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49131685

3.5m. Key focus area for the EU izzit?

[TightEnd]

Johnson to "blow" £100 million on propaganda to convince the public that "car crash Brexit" won't hurt them.

"Boris Johnson to unveil biggest ad campaign since Second World War to prepare for 'no deal'"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/28/boris-johnsons-100million-brexit-ad-campaign/