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« Reply #19575 on: August 09, 2019, 06:56:52 AM »

Very level headed business owner on BBC this morning.

Exports Cheese for 80% of his business.

His only real concern is that the tariffs imposed on incoming cheese are the same as those imposed on us. No wah wah, my business will fold histrionics as seen so often from people who don't even own their own business, just a very even handed hope that we act even handedly.....
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« Reply #19576 on: August 09, 2019, 10:32:59 AM »

Seriously? He is facing tarffs of 40% on 80% of his business and he isn't bothered?  He doesn't sound very level headed at all, sounds like a moron in fact.
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« Reply #19577 on: August 09, 2019, 12:03:37 PM »

upside is extra £350m a week for NHS

Come now

worth a read for a rounded balance of such claims https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
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« Reply #19578 on: August 09, 2019, 12:04:43 PM »

Another good read in Grey's weekly Brexit blog

"The August serious season before the September crisis. My latest Brexit Blog post on the current situation, including analysis of SpAds, VONCs & GNUs"

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-august-serious-season-before.html
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« Reply #19579 on: August 09, 2019, 12:07:46 PM »

I don't see Remain parties and politicians being able to do this. Too much party interest, not enough act in national interest, and a lot of them won't be prepared to install Corbyn in No 10 as the price of a GNU but included for completeness anyway

"OK. Time to get real.

Force an extension? Johnson might ignore it or refuse to accept what EU offers.

Vote of no confidence? Johnson will hang on and play silly beggars.

Radical times demand a radical response. It’s time for MPs to revoke."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/stop-catastrophe-no-deal-brexit-revoke-article-50

of course the angst from the "don't no deal" camp comes from Boris potentially losing a VONC and not calling an immediate election, running clock down to 31 Oct taking us out no deal then calling an election as the HOC has no set time limit on stepping down post a VONC fail
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« Reply #19580 on: August 09, 2019, 12:08:41 PM »

Meanwhile in the FT

The latest plan - general election after Brexit but before its effects are felt.
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« Reply #19581 on: August 09, 2019, 12:09:45 PM »

the LSE on GNU's

"Preventing a no-deal Brexit, whether on 31 October or subsequently, may well require the formation of a multiparty government comprising MPs from across the House of Commons under the leadership of a new Prime Minister. "

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/08/only-a-new-unity-government-can-effectively-avert-a-no-deal-brexit/

again,i can't see how they would act together to do it
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« Reply #19582 on: August 09, 2019, 12:20:17 PM »

So maybe.....

Boris loses VoNC, he sets election just after the 31st. (before all the tins of peaches run out)

Will the EU say they"are open" to readmitting UK on same terms if new Gov want to stay, just days after the 31st.

So its an election/referendum ...do or die.

Lets go.  Cool

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« Reply #19583 on: August 09, 2019, 12:25:40 PM »

0.2% fall in GDP in Q2 2019, following growth of 0.5% in Q1 (link: http://ow.ly/gfaf50vsFiC)

first fall for 7 years - worse than expected

Probably now in the middle of weakest 2 quarters for growth since the financial crisis, weakest Q1-Q3 since financial crisis...If consensus expectations correct, it will be weakest showing in G7.

Falls in manufacturing biggest in a decade, driven by No Deal car plant shutdowns, falls in production overall biggest since 2012. Service sector growth slowest in three years.

Consumer held up though.

But this is basically broad based, some of it down to one-offs, but not all

Much of the driver for this is further downward revisions to the impact of No Deal planning/ shutdowns in manufacturing in April... households and Government spending supporting the economy


all of the above from Faisal Islam
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« Reply #19584 on: August 09, 2019, 12:27:10 PM »

Boris Johnson is looking like Theresa May 2.0

The two politicians could hardly be more different. Yet their approach to government is strikingly similar

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https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/08/08/boris-johnson-is-looking-like-theresa-may-20?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/borisjohnsonislookingliketheresamay20bagehot
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« Reply #19585 on: August 09, 2019, 01:06:56 PM »

upside is extra £350m a week for NHS

Come now

worth a read for a rounded balance of such claims https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

Remain seem to have lost all sense of humour during this stressful Brexit process

But deadly serious about UN climate report. Less livestock is great news for the planet so meh to Farmer Murphy imo.
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« Reply #19586 on: August 09, 2019, 01:20:14 PM »

Hilarious to see some of Brexiteers response to U.K. economy worst performance in years.

Ignore article content, say nothing to with Brexit, talk about masking laws. Rinse and repeat.

Genuinely love them showing themselves up as idiots.
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« Reply #19587 on: August 09, 2019, 01:52:52 PM »

Hilarious to see some of Brexiteers response to U.K. economy worst performance in years.

Ignore article content, say nothing to with Brexit, talk about masking laws. Rinse and repeat.

Genuinely love them showing themselves up as idiots.

Idiots: lets try not to call people that please

you may think they are misguided,misinformed, uninformed, mistaken or whatever but I personally try very hard to avoid terms like idiots or stupid (morons is another one, doubleup used it this morning, simply unneccesary)and think this thread should because i just don't think its helpful.

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« Reply #19588 on: August 09, 2019, 05:29:43 PM »

0.2% fall in GDP in Q2 2019, following growth of 0.5% in Q1 (link: http://ow.ly/gfaf50vsFiC)

first fall for 7 years - worse than expected

Probably now in the middle of weakest 2 quarters for growth since the financial crisis, weakest Q1-Q3 since financial crisis...If consensus expectations correct, it will be weakest showing in G7.

Falls in manufacturing biggest in a decade, driven by No Deal car plant shutdowns, falls in production overall biggest since 2012. Service sector growth slowest in three years.

Consumer held up though.

But this is basically broad based, some of it down to one-offs, but not all

Much of the driver for this is further downward revisions to the impact of No Deal planning/ shutdowns in manufacturing in April... households and Government spending supporting the economy


all of the above from Faisal Islam

It was interesting (and no surprise) that the BBC lead with this on their website whereas when positive data was released last month on wage growth and falling unemployment, they buried it in Business News section and it took me a while to find it.

BBC seem to have a clear anti Brexit agenda and love to lead on negative news.
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« Reply #19589 on: August 09, 2019, 06:04:14 PM »

What’s more whenever there’s been positive economic news we’ve been hit with the “yeah but we haven’t left yet” soundbite

Yet even though no deal was a million to one shot less than a fortnight ago we’re told the whole Q2 performance is affected by no deal horror
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