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« Reply #19620 on: August 11, 2019, 09:35:50 AM »

No deal spells calamity for union, warns Gordon Brown

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/gordon-brown-says-no-deal-brexit-would-be-calamity-for-united-kingdom


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You can be for or against Brexit. And you can be for or against the Union. But whatever your view, I find it difficult to see how you can take issue with Gordon Brown's verdict that a No Deal Brexit will be lethal for the Union.
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« Reply #19621 on: August 11, 2019, 09:36:49 AM »

The mysteries of remain attitude include...

- their embrace of European courts passing judgement on UK police
- their unwillingness to recognise good news eg new crime measures
- their support of 15,000 moo cows killing the world with odious bottom poison
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« Reply #19622 on: August 11, 2019, 09:37:07 AM »

Sunday Times: “Queen: Our politicians can’t govern”

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Apparently its the B side to the re-released "The Show must go on"
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« Reply #19623 on: August 11, 2019, 09:37:55 AM »

Shysters, conmen and hypocrites you say?

Brexit enforcer Cummings’ farm took €235,000 in EU handouts

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy
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« Reply #19624 on: August 11, 2019, 09:38:40 AM »

‘If the UK does crash out of the EU at the end of October, the first serious job losses will take place around Christmas. This provides a “window” for an election before the full impact of no-deal has occurred’.

Fascinating piece, well worth a read

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/are-they-bluffing-the-question-on-everyones-lips-as-boris
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« Reply #19625 on: August 11, 2019, 09:39:39 AM »

I am surprised that the news that HMG is apparently no longer willing to sign up to level playing field conditions, in order to get an FTA with the EU, has not been more commented upon. Since it suggests that they do not in fact want an FTA with the EU.

This is serious. Quite apart from the backstop, refusal to agree commitments on State aid, labour rights and environmental rules means no hope of any FTA (even a Canada FTA) with the EU.
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« Reply #19626 on: August 11, 2019, 09:41:14 AM »

very interesting thread about the challenges to ending uncertainty after a no deal

https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1159825763660521472?s=20
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« Reply #19627 on: August 11, 2019, 10:01:18 AM »

‘If the UK does crash out of the EU at the end of October, the first serious job losses will take place around Christmas. This provides a “window” for an election before the full impact of no-deal has occurred’.

Fascinating piece, well worth a read

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/are-they-bluffing-the-question-on-everyones-lips-as-boris

Thanks for this, very interesting.

Shouldn’t really laugh given what’s at stake but “Meatloaf Remainers” is gold 😂.
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« Reply #19628 on: August 11, 2019, 01:52:38 PM »

Very great new remain wordage from Gordon Brown writing in today's Observer...

We are...sleepwalking into OBLIVION 

OBLIVION - NOUN - əˈblɪvɪən: The state of being unconscious, complete destruction, extinction
synonyms: non-existence · nothingness
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« Reply #19629 on: August 11, 2019, 02:26:43 PM »

from the viewpoint of the future of the Union, which was the central point of his article, Oblivion is the correct word. It won't survive

Unless you think the United Kingdom is likely to remain intact post Brexit?
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« Reply #19630 on: August 11, 2019, 02:47:12 PM »

from the viewpoint of the future of the Union, which was the central point of his article, Oblivion is the correct word. It won't survive

Unless you think the United Kingdom is likely to remain intact post Brexit?

The union won't survive? As per your preferences please post links that prove the UK definitely won't survive.

Brown also definitively states that British ideals such as tolerance won't survive, inclusivity won't survive & the ability to be outward looking won't survive

All getting very ridiculous now remain are feeling very desperate
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« Reply #19631 on: August 11, 2019, 03:16:19 PM »

I have posted a series of links over the last week highlighting people's concerns for the future of the Union under No deal.

Desperate is the wrong word. If it happens it happens, but it would be in my opinion an utter calamity to no deal, a view I have expressed for three years

The determination to continue in ignorance of everything presented on such matters by some on the "we want to leave, no deal or not" is frustrating and no doubt will only hit home when such people lose their own jobs and other such consequences of what we will see at the back end of this year   
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« Reply #19632 on: August 11, 2019, 03:23:46 PM »


Of course the EU loathe stop and search and wouldn’t allow this. Another advantage of Brexit.

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I think stuff like this is a key component of the problem, lying about the EU is just such a deeply entrenched part of British life.

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- their embrace of European courts passing judgement on UK police


Doesn't admit he was lying and attacks those who told him he was lying with a strawman.

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« Reply #19633 on: August 11, 2019, 03:50:36 PM »

I have posted a series of links over the last week highlighting people's concerns for the future of the Union under No deal.

Desperate is the wrong word. If it happens it happens, but it would be in my opinion an utter calamity to no deal, a view I have expressed for three years

The determination to continue in ignorance of everything presented on such matters by some on the "we want to leave, no deal or not" is frustrating and no doubt will only hit home when such people lose their own jobs and other such consequences of what we will see at the back end of this year   


Will you lose your job as a result of Brexit?


It has been 3 years of one way traffic and you have completely convinced yourself there are no possible upsides. Its been a tad embarrassing at times the one sided way you have trawled the papers and only posted articles that back up your view.

If the union is that brittle, then why the hell are we bothered about a backstop? Leave them to it and lets look after our own.

Finally, why on earth are we even supposed to listen to a word Brown says? He was great when he was in charge wasn't he???!!!
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« Reply #19634 on: August 11, 2019, 03:54:13 PM »

I have posted a series of links over the last week highlighting people's concerns for the future of the Union under No deal.

Desperate is the wrong word. If it happens it happens, but it would be in my opinion an utter calamity to no deal, a view I have expressed for three years

The determination to continue in ignorance of everything presented on such matters by some on the "we want to leave, no deal or not" is frustrating and no doubt will only hit home when such people lose their own jobs and other such consequences of what we will see at the back end of this year   


Will you lose your job as a result of Brexit?


It has been 3 years of one way traffic and you have completely convinced yourself there are no possible upsides. Its been a tad embarrassing at times the one sided way you have trawled the papers and only posted articles that back up your view.

If the union is that brittle, then why the hell are we bothered about a backstop? Leave them to it and lets look after our own.

Finally, why on earth are we even supposed to listen to a word Brown says? He was great when he was in charge wasn't he???!!!


Quite possibly. Some of my sources of freelance income have slowed down already. Think it will go across industries and my stuff is discretionary corporate spend

Brown was a very good chancellor on the whole (the move to make the BOE was excellent, proclaiming the end to boom and bust and deregulating the City less so. Got us through the 2008 crash though effectively), less so a PM. An honourable man, and i say that as someone who never voted for him or his party.
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