The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Of the 48 polls that we have had since Boris Johnson became Conservative leader and Prime Minister the Conservatives have led in 46 of them

This week, they averaged 33% of the national vote, compared to 29% when Johnson took over & 24% in the final days of May's premiership

the latest

Opinium poll for Observer, Cons back to 15-pt lead:
Con 38% +2
Lab 23% -1
Lib Dem 15% -5
Brexit 12% +1
Green 4% +2
2,006 UK adults 3-4 Oct, change since last week

[TightEnd]

LD's standing aside for Grieve in Beaconsfield

This sort of deal, the LDs standing aside, is going to be quite common at the coming general election and will make it much more difficult to call

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dems-to-save-dominic-grieve-in-remain-alliance-pact-w3wxqs0c7

[TightEnd]

Another excellent Grey blog

"The lies that bind us. Slightly later than usual, my latest Brexit Blog post analyses underlying themes in this week's main developments, including Johnson's new NI proposals, in terms of the dropping of old lies and the invention new ones"

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-lies-that-bind-us.html

[TightEnd]

Very interesting discussion of current Brexit situation

"It has been a rather frantic week and much of the attention has been on the new proposal to replace the backstop, to much fanfare and apparent optimism in 10 Downing St. It seems the DUP and some of the ERG may be on side. It is possibly it might actually pass in Parliament if the EU agrees. It also seems that Parliament is again being prorogued for a Queen’s speech.

Does the new proposal have any chance of getting anywhere? Is it a dead cat strategy, a term associated with Lynton Crosby as a distraction. Place a dead cat on the table and change the conversation. Or is it a genuine attempt to break the deadlock?"

it continues...http://www.progressivepulse.org/brexit/sources-dead-cats-and-probable-outcomes

[TightEnd]

This would be another controversy

"Boris Johnson is ‘seeking  a veto’ to avoid Brexit delay"

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/public-affairs/news/107050/boris-johnson-%E2%80%98seeking-veto%E2%80%99-avoid-brexit-delay

[TightEnd]

John McDonnell “we’ll NEVER accept an interim government without Jeremy Corbyn as PM.”

Not even if a government led by a “impartial”/bipartisan PM was the only way to stop No Deal?

“No, cause it wouldn’t work and it won’t have the support of Labour MPs.”

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One of the reasons why they’ll be a general election fairly soon!

If Corbyn doesn't secure the required support and then a unity candidate emerges - say, Margaret Beckett or Harriet Harman - then if Labour block her and we end up with No Deal, Labour will get blamed. Sequencing is everything.

It doesn't appear that the national interest is yet in Corbyn's Labour thinking, and it is dangerously close to being too late

[nirvana]

John McDonnell “we’ll NEVER accept an interim government without Jeremy Corbyn as PM.”

Not even if a government led by a “impartial”/bipartisan PM was the only way to stop No Deal?

“No, cause it wouldn’t work and it won’t have the support of Labour MPs.”

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One of the reasons why they’ll be a general election fairly soon!

If Corbyn doesn't secure the required support and then a unity candidate emerges - say, Margaret Beckett or Harriet Harman - then if Labour block her and we end up with No Deal, Labour will get blamed. Sequencing is everything.

It doesn't appear that the national interest is yet in Corbyn's Labour thinking, and it is dangerously close to being too late

Not sure the national interest is best served by a coup that installs a PM such as Beckett or Harman. Whilst the narrative tends to be about BJ and Co taking a chainsaw to institutions and convention - it's the remainiacs that are far more prone to this

[TightEnd]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

[nirvana]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

Rather no deal then random installations of people into number 10 from parties that did not win any kind of mandate in an election. If Corbyn led a new minority Government then that would at least have some legitimacy.

[Jon MW]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

Rather no deal then random installations of people into number 10 from parties that did not win any kind of mandate in an election. If Corbyn led a new minority Government then that would at least have some legitimacy.

Would you rather have a government that made good decisions, in the best interest of the country, which helped the country thrive and prosper or an elected government which destroyed the country and made everybody poor because that's what they had voted for?

[nirvana]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

Rather no deal then random installations of people into number 10 from parties that did not win any kind of mandate in an election. If Corbyn led a new minority Government then that would at least have some legitimacy.

Would you rather have a government that made good decisions, in the best interest of the country, which helped the country thrive and prosper or an elected government which destroyed the country and made everybody poor because that's what they had voted for?

Tbf. I can't really identify with that as being the alternatives that are on offer.

[BigAdz]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

The perceived national interest.

Still absolutely no proof we will be plagued by locusts or need to eat tinned peaches.

[Woodsey]

The national interest is stopping no deal.

The perceived national interest.

Still absolutely no proof we will be plagued by locusts or need to eat tinned peaches.

Not even a national interest, just an opinion.....

[TightEnd]

The Yellowhammer documents, the government's central case, point to food shortages, medicine shortages, supply chain difficulties, security risks, civil disorder etc etc.

Three and a half years of expert warnings and the leave brainwashing about sunlit uplands is as strong as ever I see 😂

It is is absolutely incontrovertibly 100% in the national interest to avoid no deal gents.

[Woodsey]

The Yellowhammer documents, the government's central case, point to food shortages, medicine shortages, supply chain difficulties, security risks, civil disorder etc etc.

Three and a half years of expert warnings and the leave brainwashing about sunlit uplands is as strong as ever I see 😂

It is is absolutely incontrovertibly 100% in the national interest to avoid no deal gents.

Stop trolling and give yourself a warning