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[BigAdz]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

I wonder if the lady of the squeezed thigh is a Remainer.

She has held onto this terrible secret so bravely up til now.

[RickBFA]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

[Doobs]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

[nirvana]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Should at least let him mimic Bercow for a decent while, play around like an entitled idiot for another couple of years, bellow some more inane tosh before standing down. Anyway, I'm sure you get my actual point which is not anything like a commentary on the merits or otherwise of Johnson and instead is a direct comment about the lack of almost any decency across parliament.

[RickBFA]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

[Doobs]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Should at least let him mimic Bercow for a decent while, play around like an entitled idiot for another couple of years, bellow some more inane tosh before standing down. Anyway, I'm sure you get my actual point which is not anything like a commentary on the merits or otherwise of Johnson and instead is a direct comment about the lack of almost any decency across parliament.

The written word is a bit funny, but I have read your post a couple of times and am not sure how you expected me to get that was your actual point.  Adz did this to me the other day too saying I knew what he meant, and I was thinking nope.

I am sure we have both sat down with some right scumbags at the poker table in our time, but just because we tolerate them doesn't mean we are not decent people.  I suspect most MPs became MPs because they genuinely wanted to make a difference; I guess that wanes over time, but a good proportion of MPs are still decent people.

I think this is going to be a long term effect of Brexit, people are going to have an even worse view of MPs than they did already, but maybe the decent ones always got drowned out by the loudest ones.

[nirvana]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Should at least let him mimic Bercow for a decent while, play around like an entitled idiot for another couple of years, bellow some more inane tosh before standing down. Anyway, I'm sure you get my actual point which is not anything like a commentary on the merits or otherwise of Johnson and instead is a direct comment about the lack of almost any decency across parliament.

The written word is a bit funny, but I have read your post a couple of times and am not sure how you expected me to get that was your actual point.  Adz did this to me the other day too saying I knew what he meant, and I was thinking nope.

I am sure we have both sat down with some right scumbags at the poker table in our time, but just because we tolerate them doesn't mean we are not decent people.  I suspect most MPs became MPs because they genuinely wanted to make a difference; I guess that wanes over time, but a good proportion of MPs are still decent people.

I think this is going to be a long term effect of Brexit, people are going to have an even worse view of MPs than they did already, but maybe the decent ones always got drowned out by the loudest ones.

You're right about the written word, was a genuine question rather than a rhetorical trick and I'm not sure of the right answer. I think a comparison of Becket and her view on Bercow /remain is a fair comparison with a leave MP ignoring some bad behavior from Johnson that they would normally find way beyond the pale.

[Doobs]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/15/damning-report-bullying-parliament-suggests-johnbercow-should/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

I don't know what people expected with Johnson, it was pretty clear that he had skeletons in his closet (and in plain sight).  It is a bit like those that are appalled that people keep bringing up Jeremy Corbyn's links with Sinn Fein.

[RickBFA]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/15/damning-report-bullying-parliament-suggests-johnbercow-should/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

I don't know what people expected with Johnson, it was pretty clear that he had skeletons in his closet (and in plain sight).  It is a bit like those that are appalled that people keep bringing up Jeremy Corbyn's links with Sinn Fein.

Those links show calls for him to quit but he didn’t. And he isn’t going now because of them either.

You think an allegation that Johnson put his hand on a woman’s leg 20 years ago is the same as the documented on record position of Corbyn’s view on the IRA?

Johnson has conducted his personal life with behaviour that you or I might consider to be scummy. He has never denied having affairs I believe. That doesn’t mean he cannot hold high office.

If we are looking for angelic virginal whiter than whiter people to lead then we are going to have big problems finding people to go into politics.

Johnson isn’t my idea of a leader but some of this stuff is desperate nonsense.

[BigAdz]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/15/damning-report-bullying-parliament-suggests-johnbercow-should/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

I don't know what people expected with Johnson, it was pretty clear that he had skeletons in his closet (and in plain sight).  It is a bit like those that are appalled that people keep bringing up Jeremy Corbyn's links with Sinn Fein.

Those links show calls for him to quit but he didn’t. And he isn’t going now because of them either.

You think an allegation that Johnson put his hand on a woman’s leg 20 years ago is the same as the documented on record position of Corbyn’s view on the IRA?

Johnson has conducted his personal life with behaviour that you or I might consider to be scummy. He has never denied having affairs I believe. That doesn’t mean he cannot hold high office.

If we are looking for angelic virginal whiter than whiter people to lead then we are going to have big problems finding people to go into politics.

Johnson isn’t my idea of a leader but some of this stuff is desperate nonsense.

Perfect answer.

You have to have a certain arrogance to be a politician. I suspect even the purest of people get tarnished along the way.

I didn't really want Boris, but I wanted Brexit done, so we work with what we are given.

Once he has that done, I would have him out in a heartbeat.

[Doobs]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/15/damning-report-bullying-parliament-suggests-johnbercow-should/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

I don't know what people expected with Johnson, it was pretty clear that he had skeletons in his closet (and in plain sight).  It is a bit like those that are appalled that people keep bringing up Jeremy Corbyn's links with Sinn Fein.

Those links show calls for him to quit but he didn’t. And he isn’t going now because of them either.

You think an allegation that Johnson put his hand on a woman’s leg 20 years ago is the same as the documented on record position of Corbyn’s view on the IRA?

Johnson has conducted his personal life with behaviour that you or I might consider to be scummy. He has never denied having affairs I believe. That doesn’t mean he cannot hold high office.

If we are looking for angelic virginal whiter than whiter people to lead then we are going to have big problems finding people to go into politics.

Johnson isn’t my idea of a leader but some of this stuff is desperate nonsense.

I am not saying he should lose his job because he touched someone's thigh 20 years ago, I am just saying people shouldn't be surprised that these stories crop up with Johnson.  Likewise nobody should be surprised when Corbyn is linked to Sinn Fein, or be surprised when people link Sinn Fein with the IRA.   

FWIW I think the places on trade missions and grants to someone close to him are much more of a concern than whether or not Johnson was shagging her. 

On Bercow, after the bullying allegations, pressure was put on him to resign and there was briefing that he was going to resign pretty soon after.  If you think these things weren't linked that is fine by me, I mean nothing is set in stone, but I was pretty surprised you were unaware that it was in the news.

[RickBFA]

If remainer MPs happily tolerate a speaker plagued by very recent complaints of harrassment and bullying for their perception of the greater good;  should leaver MPs be happy to tolerate a 20 year old thigh squeeze from the now PM.

Should they go as far as the latest prospective leader of the GNU, Beckett, and openly state their position ?

That’s an excellent point Nirvana. I wonder if Justine Greening and Amber Rudd went running to the media with their serious concerns about the speaker?

Knives are out.

Yeah, excellent point Nirvana, Johnson should stand down just as Bercow is?

Boris Johnson has done a lot worse than the thigh squeeze, not sure how they all keep a straight face when they say they trust him.   I'd be giving a big wink to the camera after my declaration of trust. 

Bercow is standing down because of the bullying allegations then? I missed that news.

I don’t like Johnson but they are definitely after him in any way possible.

The double standards are a joke.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/15/damning-report-bullying-parliament-suggests-johnbercow-should/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

I don't know what people expected with Johnson, it was pretty clear that he had skeletons in his closet (and in plain sight).  It is a bit like those that are appalled that people keep bringing up Jeremy Corbyn's links with Sinn Fein.

Those links show calls for him to quit but he didn’t. And he isn’t going now because of them either.

You think an allegation that Johnson put his hand on a woman’s leg 20 years ago is the same as the documented on record position of Corbyn’s view on the IRA?

Johnson has conducted his personal life with behaviour that you or I might consider to be scummy. He has never denied having affairs I believe. That doesn’t mean he cannot hold high office.

If we are looking for angelic virginal whiter than whiter people to lead then we are going to have big problems finding people to go into politics.

Johnson isn’t my idea of a leader but some of this stuff is desperate nonsense.

I am not saying he should lose his job because he touched someone's thigh 20 years ago, I am just saying people shouldn't be surprised that these stories crop up with Johnson.  Likewise nobody should be surprised when Corbyn is linked to Sinn Fein, or be surprised when people link Sinn Fein with the IRA.   

FWIW I think the places on trade missions and grants to someone close to him are much more of a concern than whether or not Johnson was shagging her. 

On Bercow, after the bullying allegations, pressure was put on him to resign and there was briefing that he was going to resign pretty soon after.  If you think these things weren't linked that is fine by me, I mean nothing is set in stone, but I was pretty surprised you were unaware that it was in the news.

I was aware it was in the news. I wasn't aware he was leaving the position of Speaker because of it. And he isn't.

[Woodsey]

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49897949

[Doobs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49897949

To be fair a piece of primordial slime is nearly as intelligent as Raab.   If you want to put her up one week...

[BigAdz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49897949

To be fair a piece of primordial slime is nearly as intelligent as Raab.   If you want to put her up one week...

Only a matter of time.

Even the once controlled remainer, now rolling up his sleeves and using some choice insults.

They must be feeling like things are slipping away......