The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[George2Loose]

Big fuss about nothing. Hopefully discussions and reporting will go back to policy debate than these individual attacks

[MintTrav]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

[DaveShoelace]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

How old are you? Soggy biscuit was the ultimate school yard urban myth of my generation. I assumed everyone knew about it.

[Doobs]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

will have a debate with myself.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation/

I guess theoretically we save on dividends, but not sure I'd want a politician having final say on running a big company.  The problem is decisions get made for political decisions and not commercial reasons.  And once yoy stop running something commercially the losses aren't getting smaller.

[mulhuzz]

Surely ****ing a dead pig involves a bit more than putting your member in its mouth?

Surely we ignore all misdemeanors before the age of 25 or so?  I dare say that a decent proportion of those in parliament have played soggy biscuit or indulged in fagging for instance.  I just don't think it matters much, as we all did stupid stuff when we were young.

Since privatisation, rail use has doubled in the UK.  So why do a majority want it nationalised again?  Surely there is a contradiction there, and I can't see it as a priority.  Barring the odd occasion when I have had the misfortune to book on First Great Western, I don't hanker for the old British Rail much.  Wasn't every train as filthy as a current 1am service on a saturday night, and most services hopelessly unreliable.  And didn't we used to have strikes nearly as often as we currently get on the tube? 

1. Semantics? Really?

2. It rather does highlight the ridiculousness of these ad hominem attacks when people are more willing to forgive 'put his penis in the mouth of a dead animal as part of an initiation right to an ultra elitist club' than 'used a perhaps uncouth word'.

3. Since privatisation, or because of? Because if it's the former, so what? Since privatisation in the UK childhood obesity rates have risen, but that's not a good argument for nationalisation or privatisation.

[MintTrav]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

will have a debate with myself.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation/

I guess theoretically we save on dividends, but not sure I'd want a politician having final say on running a big company.  The problem is decisions get made for political decisions and not commercial reasons.  And once yoy stop running something commercially the losses aren't getting smaller.

May as well. Based on your own evidence, you're a master at it.

[mulhuzz]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

will have a debate with myself.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation/

I guess theoretically we save on dividends, but not sure I'd want a politician having final say on running a big company.  The problem is decisions get made for political decisions and not commercial reasons.  And once yoy stop running something commercially the losses aren't getting smaller.

May as well. Based on your own evidence, you're a master at it.

If you think him playing soggy biscuit means he's a Master Debator then I don't think you've quite understood the premise.

[Doobs]

Surely ****ing a dead pig involves a bit more than putting your member in its mouth?

Surely we ignore all misdemeanors before the age of 25 or so?  I dare say that a decent proportion of those in parliament have played soggy biscuit or indulged in fagging for instance.  I just don't think it matters much, as we all did stupid stuff when we were young.

Since privatisation, rail use has doubled in the UK.  So why do a majority want it nationalised again?  Surely there is a contradiction there, and I can't see it as a priority.  Barring the odd occasion when I have had the misfortune to book on First Great Western, I don't hanker for the old British Rail much.  Wasn't every train as filthy as a current 1am service on a saturday night, and most services hopelessly unreliable.  And didn't we used to have strikes nearly as often as we currently get on the tube? 

1. Semantics? Really?

2. It rather does highlight the ridiculousness of these ad hominem attacks when people are more willing to forgive 'put his penis in the mouth of a dead animal as part of an initiation right to an ultra elitist club' than 'used a perhaps uncouth word'.

3. Since privatisation, or because of? Because if it's the former, so what? Since privatisation in the UK childhood obesity rates have risen, but that's not a good argument for nationalisation or privatisation.

You saying you used to refuse to partake in initiations of various kinds when in your youth?  I don't think many ever do, and not sure I ever did (though I missed the pleasures of soggy biscuit).  It isn't until you grow up a bit you find it easier to say fk off. 

I have no idea what you are on about with the uncouth word.  I am more prepared to forgive something someone did when maybe 20 than if they did something when they were 50.  This applies to both David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn.  I also don't hold them responsible for the crimes of their great grandfathers either.
 
On the privatisation thing, I chose my words carefully, but given a doubling of passenger numbers on top of numbers that were previously falling, then it seems plausible that there is a link.  It is much tougher to make a link between obesity and rail privatisation, though suspect a few reporters at the daily mail could manage it.

[MintTrav]

Just Googled 'soggy biscuit'.

Jesus, Doobs, you used to do that?

will have a debate with myself.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation/

I guess theoretically we save on dividends, but not sure I'd want a politician having final say on running a big company.  The problem is decisions get made for political decisions and not commercial reasons.  And once yoy stop running something commercially the losses aren't getting smaller.

May as well. Based on your own evidence, you're a master at it.

If you think him playing soggy biscuit means he's a Master Debator then I don't think you've quite understood the premise.

I'm sure you are both Master Debators.

Judging by your contributions to various debates on here, you definitely take the biscuit for it.

[TightEnd]

this was a good clash

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34321139

[George2Loose]

Corbyn wants grown up politics and policy to be debated. Sounds good but then one day later

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34399565

So he wouldn't use it if we had it? What happened to the policy debate?

[AdamM]

seems fair to me.
I think we'd all have been a lot more shocked if he'd said yes.

[aaron1867]

I am not so sure on this Jeremy Corbyn bloke. As a Labour voter and as someone who always wants to use my vote, I am not quite sure where to look.

I don't agree with his thoughts on security and trident

I do agree with his thoughts on the railway

I don't agree with this thoughts on women only carriages

I agree with his thoughts on Austerity

Only early days, but it's tough to know what to think

[mulhuzz]

His only thoughts about women only carriages are to consult with women to see if they want them.

It quickly transpired both women and men thought they were ridiculous so he dropped it.

Amazing to see the sun call his conference speech a shambles and a Marxist cry. Which is easy to do when you and your readers have no clue about Marxism.

I thought he did well. I still can't have him as PM at next election but I thought he was 100 times more electable than previously.

[horseplayer]

Next to a raging tory in here (great)

His comment  can't stand em but he doesn't make my skin crawl like the rest do