The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[The Camel]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

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I think I said this about 100 pages ago and I was accused of overreacting.

[DMorgan]

As a Remainista, can you tell me why we should remain without citing all the disasters that will befall us if we leave? Give me some positives about the EU.

Legislation that has been secured at the EU level maintaining the highest standards in the world of employment rights ,consumer protection, environmental protection and human rights is a fantastic achievement that has a real effect on peoples lives gets blown wide open. What stays and what goes? The only answer from the Leave campaign that I have seen is 'we'll keep the good bits and chuck the rest'. Who gets to decide what goes where? Whoever is leading exit negotiations? Parliament? the Judiciary? In all of this confusion and uncertainty we can be sure that the big money interests will throw significant lobbying power behind the watering down of these protections and history suggests that they'll come out with pretty decent results.

[david3103]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

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I think I said this about 100 pages ago and I was accused of overreacting.

Why should we kowtow to BigPharm? Why should the UK fare any worse than Australia?

The EU hasn't been all good news for the NHS. In fact it's been bad news in some significant areas. The Royal College of Surgeons is a fairly apolitical organisation...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/17/brexit-will-make-the-nhs-safer-top-surgeon-says/

[Woodsey]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

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Cant see that happening although it would probably make my life easier and there would be more pharma jobs around if it did.....

[nirvana]

Can't believe people still want to look in the leave campaign's direction for the answers to how to brexit. How to brexit is firmly a governmental responsibility. It was their idea after all.

 I wouldn't get angry at the dishonesty of our wriggling out of exiting..how could one be surprised.or angry at our MPS just moving another few steps along the lying continuum. But I would rather we just triggered article 50 and if we don't do trade deals in that time then live with the consequences

[nirvana]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

Practically they aren't ready to invoke Article 50.

Have no negotiators, and the EU countries seem reluctant to discuss any frameworks ahead of invoking so its an awkward one

above that they need to know what they are looking for in a deal.

is restriction on free movement of labour key? is access to the single market key? how can you get both when free movement is a red line for the EU and single market access is key to UK business?

all round its a tough one, and probably uncertainty is a necessary bi-product of there being no preparations for this beforehand?

It isn't actually tough at all. For better or worse the electorate voted to be unconcerned about access to the single market but clear in wanting an end to free movement of exploitees.  Could be very simple

[nirvana]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

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Isn't this exactly what the EU is currently negotiating to do anyway. Outside of the EU we have total autonomy to decide if we want this or not. If politicians decide we do..or let's get real..If the tories decide we do then it will be another charge to lay at them rather than brexiteers per se. I know people can't get over losing but this is just wholly disingenuous

[rfgqqabc]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

Click to see full-size image.

Cant see that happening although it would probably make my life easier and there would be more pharma jobs around if it did.....

Honestly who gives a fuck, your obviously an absolute fucking joke for voting in anything to do with Labour.

[Woodsey]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

Click to see full-size image.

Cant see that happening although it would probably make my life easier and there would be more pharma jobs around if it did.....

Honestly who gives a fuck, your obviously an absolute fucking joke for voting in anything to do with Labour.

I have no idea what you're on about, pissed post? lol

[The Camel]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

Practically they aren't ready to invoke Article 50.

Have no negotiators, and the EU countries seem reluctant to discuss any frameworks ahead of invoking so its an awkward one

above that they need to know what they are looking for in a deal.

is restriction on free movement of labour key? is access to the single market key? how can you get both when free movement is a red line for the EU and single market access is key to UK business?

all round its a tough one, and probably uncertainty is a necessary bi-product of there being no preparations for this beforehand?

It isn't actually tough at all. For better or worse the electorate voted to be unconcerned about access to the single market but clear in wanting an end to free movement of exploitees.  Could be very simple

Now you are doing exactly what you are accusing sad Remain voters of doing - stating what the 17 million voters meant by their leave vote.

Boris Johnson's version of leave was very different to Michael Gove's which was very different to Nigel Farage's.

Which is why a binary leave/stay vote was so stupid.

99%+ of voters weren't qualified to make the choice. It seems like many in government aren't either, that's why they are putting off the decision.

[TightEnd]

Times Redbox graphic on its YouGov LAB members poll

1019 members qwho were members before the start of this year

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cliffs, the Parliamentary labour party (anti corbyn element) is fucked

[TightEnd]

Andrew Neil ‏@afneil

Labour nightmare unfolds: PLP can't stand Mr Corbyn, party members increasingly love him. Something has to give.

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

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72% of lab MPs voted for the government motion to replace trident subs

45 labour MPs voted against, 42 abstained

Corbyn voted against, thought to be the first occasion in parliamentary history that the leader of his party voted against his party's policy

Thornberry and Lewis, shadow foreign and defence secretaries, abstained!

The debate was car crash viewing as MP after MP interrupted Corbyn to ask him to put Labour party policy across in the debate and he refused. It was left to Lewis to do so to an almost empty chamber six hours into the debate

[TightEnd]

meanwhile things aren't too clear in scotland, though they are for the SNP

if other states are keeping theirs, more in Scotland back retention of deterrent than not