The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

A lot of sensible analysis of post Brexit from Blair......but who was it that opened the door to unlimited Eastern European migration in 2004 ?

As Julia Roberts said.....Big mistake. Big. Huge.

the speech Cameron should have given 10 months ago, and far too late now. (he's right about a lot of it though)

[RickBFA]

Due to the number of people who face benefit sanctions no doubt.

Nothing to do with records numbers in work then?

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[TightEnd]

Tony Blair is simply spelling out the truth about Brexit, says

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/02/tony-blair-simply-spelling-out-truth-about-brexit

[TightEnd]

The livid reaction to Tony Blair’s speech suggests that he must have a point about Brexit, says

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/tony-blair-right-brexit/

[MintTrav]

Thank goodness for someone with the courage to say what current Tory and Labour politicians should have been saying, but were too scared to, ie that there is no reason why there can't be a second referendum.

And what a reminder of the quality of politicians we had such a short time ago. If you picked dream teams from the front benches of both main parties now and 10-15 years ago, there are very few from today who would even come into consideration.

[SuuPRlim]

man what a mess!

Is there any actual solutions here?

[Cf]

Yes.

Everyone needs to stop whinging and accept the will of the people.

It'll all be fine.

[Doobs]

Yes.

Everyone needs to stop whinging and accept the will of the people.

It'll all be fine.

The will of half the people?   By the time this finishes, the majority will be anti Brexit even if nobody changes their mind.  A few hundred thousand old xenophobes are dying off each year.   The way the Tories are going with the NHS, then they aren't going to be slowing down that process. 

Intersting how many people have told me Blair has no right to speak on this, when man of the people, Farage is spoken to every fecking week.  I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a lodging arrangement at the BBC.

[SuuPRlim]

Farage is a knob

[TightEnd]

Labour heading for disaster in next week's by-elections: Sunday article for IndyVoices

p.s disaster = winning both!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-by-elections-paul-nuttall-ukip-tony-blair-a7587371.html

[TightEnd]

Labour has no alternative

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/labour-no-alternative/

[nirvana]

I understand there's no real reason why a remainer should shut up and accept the result as the will of the unwashed etc etc.

Quite a few problems with their presentation of the case for a second referendum but I think the most notable ones are:

a) The main voices are has beens or never beens - Major, Blair, Mandelson, Ashdown, Clarke et al

b) Secondary voices are luvvies like Bragg, Izzard and you could name a zilly others

c) Lightweights- Farage, Clegg, Smith (however honourable their position is - and I think it is versus the MPs who don't agree but vote for Article 50 anyway)

d) If this wasn't enough to contend with (ie advocates that were roundly rejected last time) there is no new, more positive, argument to rally round.

So, everyone acknowledges that there were lies all round in the previous campaign and tries to sound all sensible now but they completely fail to articulate a more positive vision about membership again. The campaign still seem focused on all the risks and problems they feel are ahead and calling people with a differing view xenophobes and the like.

For a long time I was certain that the result would be overturned. Starting to drift towards the view that a second reffo is a no-channer. The most strident voices are all outside the decision making process - the, mainly self serving members of the commons daren't actually obstruct things as they want their sinecure to last as long as possible and sacrificing lolprinciples is pretty easy in the face of losing your job it appears.

Kind of explains the desperate throw of the dice in getting someone like Blair, so deeply seated in the establishment, to try and appeal direct to the British people to 'rise-up' - like anyone in remotely enough numbers cares more than one shit about the whole subject or that Blair has any kind of constituency to appeal to. Totes moronic, if we're being kind.
 

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Corbyn pays for secret 10k sample opinion poll on whether he should quit

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-pays-secret-opinion-9851664#ICID=sharebar_twitter